David, nice to see you post. I have to say I don't think you sufficently appreciate the context and complexities of the situation. Let's start with racism. I once a heard a nice anecdote from a Swede that neatly encapsulates one of the awful concequences of racism. His friend, a black American that had moved to Stockholm, complained that "the people in my apartment building are fucking racists, they don't even say hello to me." To which the Swede replied, "Look, I've lived in the same building for eight years and I don't greet my neighbours." The problem is that real racism, which is certainly an issue in Denmark (and Sweden, and pretty much every else...) is magnified in the eye of its victim. Every unfriendly official, failed job interview, pretty much any hardship in life becomes tainted with the suspision that it is because of my skin, faith or origin. To say, as Stan does, that Muslims were "welcomed" in Denmark is to my knowledge not true, but I haven't kept in touch with the few Danes I know nor have I been there for a long while, so maybe Andreas or someone else will correct me if I'm wrong here. It seems to me that the Danish Muslims outraged are outraged in general about their plight, I very much doubt that had say Maroccan newspaper ran exactly the same cartoons there would've been such uproar. What you seem to advocate is that rest of the society should under such circumstances be extremely sensitive. This is humane, civil, appealing, unhelpful and unrealistic. Many Europeans have deep suspicions about immigrant in general, and do assosiate Islam with Terrorism. We can't wish or legistalate this away. Denmark, nay Europe, needs a long, thorough and sustained debate on immigration and the role of religion on the society. Ignorant, idiotic views need to be protested like many Muslims and others are doing, in general shown wrong and ridiculed. We can't do this if such views are silenced. I most certainly do not want to hand the caweman group the opportunity to cry victim over censorship. Cheers, Teemu Helsinki, Finland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html