LH>Well, I think we've just about beaten this insignificant quibble to death. Actually it's been a sort of LH>moving quibble. You weren't specific in the beginning, just a vague indefinite something or other - LH>much like Irene's vagueness; then as time went on you seemed to pick something you liked and LH>there we've been Disingenuous, Lawrence? (Perhaps not, Perhaps you really see the exchange that way,) LH>France is multicultural. We agree on that. Obviously more than one culture exists in France and more than one cultural group lives there. But I draw a distinction between that and multicultural policies. LH>The French people don't like it. We agree on that. I'm not sure we do agree with that but racism does seem more prevalent in France than say the UK, and I imagine racism (of French whites) is what you're talking about. LH>It doesn't work. I think we agree on that, I said the French universalist integrationist project, the NON-MULITCULTURAL PROJECT, had failed to deliver. LH> but where we don't agree is whether the French leadership approved of multiculturalism. They approve of a multicultural France but their policies are not totally consonant with that. LH>The EU constitution required multiculturalism. Jacques Chirac and the other French leaders praised the constitution and urged its acceptance. But the French people roundly defeated it to a very large extent because if this very same multiculturalism. Can we agree on that? http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=306&language_id=1 No. There were a number of reasons why the French people voted no (as the piece you cite, all-too-brief as it is, makes clear). Unless you call any opposition to change an opposition to multiculturalism, no. Judy Evans, Cardiff