Well if you were arguing with hard core hoax believers they would just accuse you of being part of the cover up - you did work for NASA after all. You see how infurating it is arguing with poeple who just refuse to be believe anything that doesn't suite them! Philip wrote: > I have to admit I am at a loss to understand Nevilles belief here. When I > was on contract to NASA at Woomera South Australia, at the time when the > Russian Cosmonaut got separated/lost from the first woman in space, despite > all the so called cold war and security, all scheduled passes were cancelled > and the whole facility was put at the disposal of Russians via interpreters > I had to keep my antenna controls going full pelt just to follow the > signals. (no automatic tracking antennas during those days.)Yet even then, > along side our base there was an enormous deep space dish that pulsed out > power so high that any bird flying over was a cooked chook. No one allowed > outside without safty gear during a transmission phase. The point is that > they were communicating with something a long way away, and the distance is > accurately measured by the time lag for the answer to arrive. > > to go to all this trouble just for prestige, it would have been easier to > just do it wouldn't you think. > > Which reminds me. As a hobbie radio amateur, called ham, I am sure that a > lot of them at the time of the moon landings were monitoring and some > participating in experiments. If they were any ways like me, and most > hobbyists are, they would be most upset if their directional rigs picked up > any bogus signals not emanating from the moon. and the earth in the correct > sequence. Whilst not maybe skeptical we were certainly not gullible either. > The amateur clubs continue to use the facilities for moon bounce > communication today, and even have access to their own satellite repeater. > I'm no astronomer, and seen the moon only via noculars. So what about the > amateur astromers, with their bigger scopes. Could they have seen anything? > > Back to Mars. When the recent landing failed due to a faulty programmer > putting in metric for imperial measurements, surely they would have covered > that up easily, if they are so much into fraud. > > Philip. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:25 AM > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Voyager > > > Dear Rob, > > I have just read your e-mail, regarding Voyager 1 and 2. > > As I am totally and absolutely convinced that NASA has not landed anyone, or > anything, on the Moon, Mars, or anywhere else, and that their claims of > "gravity slingshots" are total rubbish, you will appreciate that Voyager 1 > and 2 are no trouble for me to explain - where they are I do not know, but > one thing I do know is that they are not where you seem to believe them to > be. I would therefore be far more surprised to learn that they are further > out than the Moon, than I would be if one, or both, of them came down in > your or my back garden. > > Having said that, I'm now back on vacation! > > Best wishes, > > Neville. > > "Glover, Rob" <Rob.Glover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Dear Dr. Jones, > > The Voyagers 1 and 2 spacecraft were launched from Earth in 1977, and now > over 25 years later, are at a distance of more than 8.4 billion miles from > Earth, increasing continually as they head towards the stars. > > In a geocentric scenario, these 2 spacecraft are also, of course, now moving > round the World at a speed of 2199114855 miles per hour, or 3.2 times the > speed of light. > > Can you explain how they have reached this enormous speed, considering they > have not fired their engines since leaving Earth, apart from for very small > course corrections. > > I look forward to your considered reply. Thanks. > > Rob Glover.