[geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:44:16 -0700 (PDT)
( C)I've also marked many of the misspellings and typos throughout that I'll
be glad to share with you.
(A) YES, Thank you Carl??.all the proofreading I get is very helpful!.. I am
currently seeming the whole thing together as a graphical interactive data base.
(C) We are still diametrically opposed concerning the law. The whole idea of a
New Covenant is to have Torah written within so that we obey willingly. ?????..
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but
whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the
kingdom of heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.
( A) Matthew 5: 1. And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and
when He was seated His disciples came to Him. 2. Then He opened His mouth and
taught them, saying: ??Blessed is he???? 14. "You are the light of the world. A
city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.
????????
17. "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not
come to destroy but to fulfill.
18. "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or
one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
??????.qualifies the first part of the verse, which is the purpose of Jesus..
to fullfill????
19. "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and
teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever
does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
????????. These commandments are "His commandments" not the law that he is
giving here. .....21. "You have heard that it was said ?.. 22. "But I say to
you..........38. "You have heard that it was said, `An eye for an eye and a
tooth for a tooth.' ?? 39. "But I tell you...........27. "You have heard that
it was said ?????? 28. "But I say to you............43. "You have heard that it
was said, `????. 44. "But I say to you, love your enemies
The contrast is the OT LAW vs the Teachings of Christ which is written on the
heart not the law Jeremiah 31:33?Jesus was not teaching the law??...Also OT
covenant is still in place until Jesus offers his blood for the new covenant,
He thus fulfilling the law by being our sacrifice for us and also the
prophets?..Bringing in the new covenant the old is to be done away with latter
in that generation as prophesied by Dan and Jesus himself. Ref :Dan 9:27 and
Mat 24:15.. All was fulfilled the new covenant came and the old was destroyed
via the confirmation just as prophesized.
It is impossible to keep the law by definition of its terms????.If salvation
were of the law then there would have been no reason for Jesus in the first
place because he came to deliver the new covenant with a new priesthood and new
law written on the heart not in physical ordinances, and to confirm it by
putting an end to the former?????????????????????????????????..
( C) Concerning Jerusalem, I still see a future restoration of the kingdom to
Israel.
Act 1:6, 7 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying,
Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said
unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father
hath put in his own power.
( A) Jesus remarks here do not take away from the fact that he accomplished all
those things then but even the scripture points out they did not understand
until AFTER they happen.
Carl Felland <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Allen,
I read today, almost word for word, the material that you sent me. BTW, you'll
probably want to take out the Japanese Plesiosaur-type animal pages. This is
now thought to be a basking shark. I've also marked many of the misspellings
and typos throughout that I'll be glad to share with you.
You have some good arguments for much in Daniel and Revelation being fulfilled
in the 1st century. I'm becoming more open to what you have written along this
line. I'm glad to see that you still have some events to be fulfilled in the
future.
We are still diametrically opposed concerning the law. The whole idea of a New
Covenant is to have Torah written within so that we obey willingly. The goal
of the Covenant is the restoration and reuniting of the House of Israel
(Ephraim) and the House of Judah (Eze 37) along with any gentiles who want to
join in. It is the workers of inquity who will be cast out, and who are the
workers of iniquity, but those who practice lawlessness. David Pollina,
Reuniting the Covenant, www.tushiyah.org would be a good read.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but
whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the
kingdom of heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.
Concerning Jerusalem, I still see a future restoration of the kingdom to Israel.
Act 1:6, 7 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying,
Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said
unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father
hath put in his own power.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:01 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus
Carl, I will demonstrate from the OT law and prophets that you are missing the
whole Context of the law/prophets and in so doing answer your question
specificaly...... This is a long and complicated email..I did the best I could
for you in this time frame without graphics, or writing a whole book. However
if you still have it it would help if you referenced the Charts I gave you on
the 666 Beast and a Man, Abomination of Desolation When, Who and What, Time of
the Gentiles, and 70 weeks vision, If I post them it will be at least 1.5 mb..
otherwise I am happy to email these to you or anyone that wants to see what in
the world I am referencing. I think in these cases a piture realy is worth a
thousand words.
KEY:
Zechariah in Green
Daniel in blue
Luke in purple
John in pink
Mat and all other NT quotes in red
Jeremiah in brown
Carl in Itilics
Me in BLACK
( C) The prophecies read of the rule of the earth again coming out of
Jerusalem??? This rule includes the keeping of the Feast of Tabernacles. When,
for example, has Zechariah 14:16 been fulfilled?
( A) FIRST ???.The rule DID COME AGAIN out of Jerusalem! Jesus was and does sit
on the throne of David... The whole context of Daniel, Ezekiel and Jeremiah.
They went into Babylonian Captivity and although they came out they were never
again a nation unto themselves as in the days up to Babylonian captivity?
Revelation Ch 17:18 is paralleling Jeremiah 1-25 ?the Jews were not in charge
at the time of the Christ in fact this was one of the MAJOR Points of the
prophesies concerning the timing of the Christ. Because he was to be the king
(acts 2:30) but He was not to come until??.. Daniel 12: 7. ??.. when he shall
have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things
shall be finished. Now back up to verse one to put this in context ?? 1. And at
that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the
children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was
since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that t
ime thy
people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
?..Ref Jesus in Mat 24:14-34 15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of
desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso
readeth, let him understand:) ????. 21. For then shall be great tribulation,
such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever
shall be.??There can only be ONE time of GREASTEST TROUBLE, . and in both case
these events are taking place during the period of the 10 kings of Daniel?s
vision and Jesus?s day, Jesus goes further with ???.. 34. Verily I say unto
you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35.
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
?????????... This was the WHOLE CONTEXT and PURPOSE of Jesus coming, a king to
sit on the throne of David ( Acts 2:30) Luke 1:32 Isaiah 22:22 Zaechariah 12:7;
13:1;?????.It was in the DAYS OF THESE KINGS??.. (PLURAL)?.. that
God
would set up his kingdom Dan 2:38-44 &Dan 7:3-27 paralleled in REV Ch 13 ??
also known as Luke 21:24?until the "times of the Gentiles be fulfilled". The
context here is the Abomination of Desolation of Dan that would take place
before that generation would pass??? ???..Yes, the Throne of David?? but Jesus
stated in
John 18:36. ?.. My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this
world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the
Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. And again ??.
Luke 17: 20 The kingdom of God Cometh NOT WITH OBSERVATION: 21. Neither shall
they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, THE KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU.
???????.Now Back to Daniel as he continues his thoughts in Ch 12??????..
Dan 12:2. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt???
Mat 27: 52. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which
slept arose, ??.
Dan 12:3. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament;
and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever??10.
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do
wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall
understand...
Zechariah 13:9. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will
refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they
shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and
they shall say, The Lord is my God.
Mat 12: 17. That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet,
saying, (Isaiah 42:1)18. Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in
whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew
judgment to the Gentiles. 19. He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any
man hear his voice in the streets. 20. A bruised reed shall he not break, and
smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. 21.
And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.
Zechariah 13: 7. Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that
is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall
be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
Mark 14:27. And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me
this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall
be scattered.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the
nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to
worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
John 4: 21. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye
shall neither in this mountain, NOR YET AT JERUSELEM, worship the Father. 22.
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is OF the
Jews. 23. BUT THE HOUR COMETH AND NOW IS, when the TRUE WORSHIPERS shall
worship the Father in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH: for the Father seeketh such to
worship him. 24. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in
spirit and in truth. 25. The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh,
which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26. Jesus
saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
SECONDLY??????.. You are looking for a physical manifestation of things at
Jerusalem, the kingdom and the covenant .. it was for this very same reason;
that the Jews did not accept Jesus they tried to make him a earthly king and
kingdom when that failed they rejected him altogether ? John 6:15. When Jesus
therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a
king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone?????..It was this very
gospel of spirit vs law that was the point of the gospel of Christ. You miss it
because you like the Jews then were looking for a physical KING and Physical
KINGDOM and Physical Rituals to worship as was the law of Moses...? if you
would listen to Paul he explains even further?.. in any case?.. Only by keeping
a physical manifestation of a law could one be justified but that was the point
of Jerimaiahs prophesy ?the context for his remarks in Ch 32 they are about to
go into Babylon???.
Jeremiah 6:19?.. they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but
rejected it. 20. To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the
sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings are not acceptable, nor
your sacrifices sweet unto me. 21. Therefore thus saith the Lord, Behold, I
will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons
together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.. ?????
Jeremiah 9:13. And the Lord saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I
set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein; 14. But
have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which
their fathers taught them: 15. Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God
of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with wormwood, and give
them water of gall to drink.
Jeremiah 16:11??.. and have forsaken me, and have not kept my law;
Jeremiah 31: 22. How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding
daughter???.31. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new
covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32. Not
according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took
them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they
brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: 33. But this shall
be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days,
saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their
hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34. And they shall
teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know
the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest
of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember
their sin no more?????ref this with ? Exodus 34: 9. And he said
, If now
I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among
us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and
take us for thine inheritance. 10. And he said, Behold, I make a covenant:
before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the
earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the
work of the Lord: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee....
The law was to pardon them according to it's stipulations, however they broke
that covennat and that was the whole purpose and mission of the Christ.
11. Observe thou that which I command thee this day:???? The Jews BROKE THE
COVENANT!!!!! it was not God?s unfaithfulness but rather theirs ! It was this
that caused the greatest offence to them. This is why there was a need for a
NEW COVENANT? the former was BROKEN!?.. Jesus fulfilled all the law and the
prophets by bringing in the new one without which we would all be lost!.. This
is the Gospel of Christ who came and fulfilled it. This Deeply offend them?
They sought to establish their own righteousness via the Law of Moses, just as
you are still trying to do. But God has already decreed it a irreconcilably
broken covenant! This is what he meant by I desire mercy not sacrifice the new
covenant would be written on the heart not in ordinances of ritual. Mat 9:13
Mat 12:8
Mat 21: 42. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The
stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner:
this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43. Therefore say I
unto you, The kingdom of God shall be TAKEN FROM YOU, and GIVEN TO A NATION
bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44. And whosoever shall fall on this stone
shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45. And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they
perceived that he spake of them
Thus the need for a new Covenant. Mat 26:28???..IF Jesus had not come to
deliver us from the old we would all die in our sins.
And in that it is a new covenant the former is obsolete, because and as a
result of the condition of the former. The Law was a foreshadowing of the
things to come?..Exodus 25: 3-9. And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may
dwell among them. 9. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of
the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall
ye make it. 10. And they shall make an ark of shittim wood: two cubits and a
half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof,
and a cubit and a half the height thereof. Paul brings this out in Hebrews 8:1.
The Context is what you have missed is the coming of the messiah in the last
days and setting up his kingdom in the days of the ten kings of the fourth
empire only mentioned as "Mystery Babylon" so as not to call Rome by name,
Because these events are taking place at that time? and understanding was only
for the called of God not the world????you are looking for things that have
already taken place if you would just listen to the prophets and Jesus and his
ministers such as Paul???we worship in spirit not by the Law. Salvation is in
Christ not in the Law.
Mat 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is
finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Mat 28:All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mark 16:19. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up
into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God? They stoned Steven when he saw
this remember????. Acts 7:55. But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up
stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the
right hand of God,
Acts 2:33. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having
received of the Father the Promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this,
which ye now see and hear.
34. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord
said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35. Until I make thy foes thy
footstool.
Isaiah 4:3. And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he
that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is
written among the living in Jerusalem: 4. When the Lord shall have washed away
the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of
Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the SPIRIT of judgment, and by the SPIRIT
of burning.
Zechariah 14:9. And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day
shall there be one Lord, and his name one. 10. All the land shall be turned as
a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and
inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate,
unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's
winepresses. 11. And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter
destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited. ????
Mat 28: 17. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted? just
like you do?. because of the message of the Cross which is that the covenant of
Moses the law WAS BROKEN by the Jews and Christ came to redeem HIS as defined
by those who would now put there trust in Jesus and NOT THE LAW .
Mat 28:18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto
me in heaven and in earth. 19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy
Ghost: 20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Revelation 11:15....there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of
this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall
reign for ever and ever.
You are loking for wrong phyisical manifestaions of spiritual matters.
All these things took place during those 10 kings. It is during THIS TIME that
all these things take their context as to exactly When everything played out, I
only know when Jesus and the prophets stated it would happen .During the day of
those ten kings. Agustus the first when Jesus was born and Titus the tenth who
was the one who did the deed and was the prince at the time of the confirmation
in AD 70. As for the HOW I only know what Jesus stated the worship would be
done in Spirit not in the geographical Jerusalem. The mystery of Babylon is
referred to as such Feet always wear the name of the head they are attached to.
Jerimiah 51 is paralleled in Rev 17 this way Rome was never mentioned by name..
hence "mystery Babylon", the number of the Beast and the number of the man is
the number of Dan ch 2 and Dan ch 7 666 years between the head Babylon in 596BC
to the Feet and the ten kings of the feet which was also the fourth Beast that
ro se out of the sea Dan 7 & Rev Ch 13:1 i
n AD 70
which was done by Titus the prince who would be the tenth king of "Mystery
Babylon" Jesus warned his disciples about to take place. If you accepted the
prophets and Jesus revelation you too would understand very clearly. The Book
of revelation is not that difficult, but it does require acceptance of the
mission and purpose of Christ as Paul and the Prophets talk about.
( C) The ultimate goal in Yah's plan is not to have Jerusalem destroyed
forever, but to have the nations that come against Jerusalem destroyed.
Although Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD and the Jews driven out of the land
in 135 AD, Rome is still alive and well.
( A) The Geographical Jerusalem is not destroyed it is still very much there.
The main topic of the prophesies s not the eternal destruction of Jerusalem but
rather the confirmation and Consummation of the new covenant and the NEW
Jerusalem. You don?t understand what Jerusalem he is talking about, you seem to
think it is a physical city with a geographical location it is not!
Geographically the place you call Jerusalem is ??? Revelation 11:8which
spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified? Mat
23:36. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them
which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children
together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would
not! 38. Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. If you quite accusing
Paul and listen he explains it even better than I do. We look for a city whose
builder
and maker is God not man is what we as Christians are looking for, not a piece
of dirt which will be destroyed by fire????????.. that is what we dwell in the
city of GOD " Jerusalem" we are looking for Spiritual things not earthly?THIS
WAS THE CONTEXT OF ALL JESUS TEACHINGS.
( C) Psalms 22:16. For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have
inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17. I may tell all my bones:
they look and stare upon me. 18. They part my garments among them, and cast
lots upon my vesture.John 19:37. And again another scripture saith, They shall
look on him whom they pierced???.What you say sounds right until I read the
prophecy in context????. however, does not seem to have been fulfilled on a
national level.
( A) Carl, Johns statement is and THE ONLY context, that is why he says he
mentioned it?there is no scripture about a seeing this on a "national level"
you just don?t understand how God?s defines " His people".??.. You are missing
what has been going on with the law and the "people of God". The Jews had a
covenant that had strict stipulations well ???..THEY BROKE IT, that covenant
with God!?the new covenant is of spirit and truth written on the hearts and
minds of his people, not dirt and tablets with the blood of bulls and Goats ??
When Jesus preached this to them they were all offended because they put their
trust in Moses who had they listed to spoke concerning Him, But they were more
interested in a continuation of the physical Law, Physical Kingdom and Physical
king?.just like you. .. The prophesy was most defiantly fulfilled on every
level to its fullest scope as outlined in scripture? you like the people then
don?t like the way God has given it to you??. Part of the pr
oblem is
your definition of what "Gods People" is and since you do not accept Paul you
cannot see the totality of these things just as most of the Jews of Christ day
refused to see. You are looking for the wrong things external of the
scripture.? Not only was Jerusalem destroyed in ad 70 as prophesied by Dan and
again by Jesus in the generation .. but that destruction completely destroyed
anyone?s ability to even keep the law if they wanted to because the
genealogical records, calendars and Leviticus priesthood itself was destroyed?.
That was the confirmation of the covenant and. .. Dan 9: 26. And after
threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the
people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war
desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for
one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause t he sacrifice AND THE O
BLATION
to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the
desolate? This is what Jesus stated would happen?????? Mat 24:15. When ye
therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the
prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)????..
34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these
things be fulfilled. These things took place just as Dan and Jesus prophesied
in AD 70.. The prince was Titus he was to be emperor but not at the time these
events took place he was a general of his father Emperor Vespatian. Since this
time there has been no temple.. for ye are that temple.. and no sacrifice or
the oblation because the ability to do so has been taken away through this
confirmation of the new covenant spoken of by Jesus. That was the whole purpose
of the coming of the messiah. That is why the palmist says? Palms 11
0:4. The
Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the
order of Melchizedek.. You are looking for something .. Jesus stated very
plainly that the Kingdom Luke 17: 20 The kingdom of God Cometh NOT WITH
OBSERVATION: 21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold,
THE KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU within you.
You keep looking for something that you assume is outside of scripture and
greater than what was told or given you??you still do not understand the
meaning of the prophesies because you like your ideas concerning the "law"
better than Gods judgment concerning the status of the covenant. ??.. AD70 was
the confirmation of the new covenant when our ability to keep the old covenant
was entirely destroyed even if you wanted to keep it you cannot because???.
..The following is a partial restatement of the last part of one of my last
postings ???..
If you fail to keep any portion of the law you are guilty of the whole law!
Deuteronomy 4:1. Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto
the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in
and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you. 2. Ye shall
not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from
it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you
If Justification were through the law and levitical priesthood then your own
attempt at justification via the law condemns you! Because you do not keep it
nor are there any more Levitical priest to perform the rituals commanded by the
law for you?.. and you are all unclean!?. Nowhere does JESUS state that you
should keep some of the law but not all of it? He never told his disciples to
extend or continue to observe the Mosaic law. You would have to take a
selective approach to the law which is scriptural baseless notwithstanding the
complete impossibility to perform it???. Dan states plainly that the
confirmation of the covenant would bring to an end the Sacrifice and offerings
and Jesus talked abut that new covenant, He never talked about continuation and
extenuation of the law nor did he explain what portions of the law to keep and
you cannot keep the law by the terms of the law. Then you are all still then
lost if justification were to be found in the law and their woul d
have
been no need for a Messiah in the first place!????. Even Moses himself stated
that he would come and that they would listen to him rather than Moses, by whom
they received the OT law. ?.Jesus gave commandme nt for a NEW COVENANT not a
continuation or extension of the old you put words into Jesus mouth that are
NOWHHEWRE to be found while along ignore what both HE and the Prophets spoke of
regarding his mission what & he would accomplish to do and how he would do it!
Jesus is a priest after the order of Melchisideck not the levites! Psalms
110:4. The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever
after the order of Melchizedek. Melchizedek was not even a JEW!!! ??.The OT law
gave nothing about priest outside the Levites. Christ came and delivered the
NEW COVENANT and he Being of an entirely different priesthood??the LAW spoke
nothing concerning these things how can you even begin to assert that Jesus
instructed a continuation of the OT law...both the cov ena
nt and
the priesthood were changed?.. You can?t keep part of the law and claim to
keep it??. .. Your assertions are inconsistent with scripture??..If continuity
of the scriptures is dependent upon the continuation of the OT law then we are
ALL in a lot of trouble. How can you selectively decide what you are going to
obey and what is and is not still in force??..You can not be a follower of
Jesus and adhere to the law if you adhere to the prophets then you must accept
Jesus and lay aside the law? Mat 22: 37. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love
the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy
mind. 38. This is the first and great commandment. 39. And the second is like
unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40. On these two
commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Gal 6:2. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ....How
can you ignore Paul he was sent to explain in detail these things for us
Acts 18: 12???.with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment
seat, 13. Saying, This fellow persuadeth men to worship God contrary to the
law.... Just like you they MISSED the law and the prophets and ultimately JESUS
himself.
I have shown you the DIRECT VERBATUM correlation from scripture to scripture. I
hope you carefully reconsider the law and the Prophets and what they mean
before you continue down this path any further.
Carl Felland <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Allen,
What you say sounds right until I read the prophecy in context. Yes, many
repented in Jerusalem and realized that Y'shua who was just crucified was
Messiah. This prophecy, however, does not seem to have been fulfilled on a
national level.
The ultimate goal in Yah's plan is not to have Jerusalem destroyed forever, but
to have the nations that come against Jerusalem destroyed. Although Jerusalem
was destroyed in 70 AD and the Jews driven out of the land in 135 AD, Rome is
still alive and well.
The prophecies read of the rule of the earth again coming out of Jerusalem.
This rule includes the keeping of the Feast of Tabernacles. When, for example,
has Zechariah 14:16 been fulfilled?
Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy
all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the
nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to
worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Carl
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