[geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:11:20 -0700 (PDT)
(N) Galatians is Sauline perversion and should be ripped out and burnt in the
fire. Appealing to this abomination to justify your position is not valid.
(A)You can of course believe whatever you like. However all your comments are
circular statements, mere assertions not proof or evidence of anything. Which
begs the question how do you know anything or any scripture is actually
scripture or not...By what authority can you or anyone today make this or any
claim...And how can you know that that claim is not the perversion of scripture
if you don't accept scripture in the first place? You cannot prove any of the
stamens you make about Paul or Peters letters or corruption or prevision.
Appealing to some one?s blasphemous assumptions as fact is not valid. You nor
has anyone yet been able to substantiate any of these claims about Paul, or
2Peter being written by Paul or corruption outside someone just making that
claim?That demonstrates their perversion but it does not prove Paul?s. ?..It is
your position that contains no validity?? The Antichrist issue is ONLY found in
Johns epistles and Carl?s and your arguments concerning Jesus
fit that
description???? ???. What in the world makes you or anyone think that only
now, never mind the last two thousand years of lost souls adhering to Paul, and
other scripture, but only now in the later part of the end of days as defined
by John, you got it "figured out"? Wake up you are being deceived?.. Matthew
24:24. "For false christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs
and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Mark 13:22. "For
false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to
deceive, if possible, even the elect.
The 666 web site you sent me to is like many others I have seen, they all refer
to People places and things that are not mentioned in scripture except in their
imaginations??Blind leading the blind?..I have no doubt that many names when
assigned numbers to them yield the number 666 and this web site does not
exhaust all the possibilities out there using that procedure?However, scripture
does not say how or give examples for assigning number to letters, that was an
invention of man?really big in the sect of Kabala?. The Text states that the
Number is intrinsic to the beast and the man. I have given you and shown you
from scripture the meaning of 666 the only meaning you can get intrinsically
JUST FROM SCRIPTURE. However, this is the real problem I believe anyway, the
refusal to accept plain scripture in favor of unsubstantiated statements and
circular logic based on those assertions derived from the imagination of men. I
have proven that to be the case, not because I say so bu
t we are
all here and none of us have ever seen any of these scriptures that tell us
how to assign numbers to letters or affidavit?s as to the heresy of Paul?s
letters?. You would think maybe the Aspotels would have been more concerned
about his doings?. Guess he out smarted them all. These assertions are outside
of scripture thus they are all invalid.
"Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
(A) "I urge anyone to turn away from this perversion and the accursed Gal 1:8
to repent immediately!....... there is no scriptural basis for any of these
arguments!......I chalenge anyone from scripture!"
Galatians is Sauline perversion and should be ripped out and burnt in the fire.
Appealing to this abomination to justify your position is not valid.
(A) "2 Peter 3: 15. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is
salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given
unto him hath written unto you;
16. As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are
some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable
wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction????I
Believe this is what you and Carl are doing, perhaps unwittingly. However, my
authority in this mater is scripture, for which your position can demonstrate
none. And when you would be teachers you have need that someone teach you.."
The letters of "Peter" were not written by Peter, but by Saul, as a little
careful analysis will show you. Saul is a liar, a murderer and a sodomite (see,
for instance, his perverse letter to Philemon). Saul was NEVER an apostle -
there are only TWELVE apostles. The REAL apostle, Peter, hated Saul.
(A) "As for the meaning of 666 it dose not say it is the number of a man
ONLY?It states??..Revelation 13:18?.Let him that hath understanding count the
number of the beast: for it is the number of a man;?? it is the number of a
beast AND a man."
Perfectly correct - see http://www.remnantofgod.org/666.htm for example.
(A) "2John 1:7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Paul did NONE of these things?????.."
2 John (and 3 John) were also written by the evil one, the "devil," Saul of
Tarsus. You may not appeal to them.
Neville.
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
( N) The evil one or "devil" is Saul of Tarsus, who changed his name to "Paul."
It was "Paul" who started the Roman Catholic church, putting the blame on
Peter. As you know, Simon Peter was never in Rome. Paul was in Rome. It was
"Paul" who impregnated the "New Testament" with the trinity abomination and has
been responsible for the establishment of over 28,000 sects, cults and
denominations of "Christendom."
(A ) You have absolutely no proof or authority on any of these Claims?.. I am
well aware of the arguments on various web sites?.. with careful examination
you will see they make absolutely no sense whatsoever ?..I am happy to address
any of them point by point if you like.
(N) 666 is the number of a man - Saul of Tarsus (Tarsus was the centre of Baal
worship). Saul of Tarsus is the "antichrist." The NT sections of our Bibles are
seriously corrupted. Only the words of the apostles can be trusted. Saul
("Paul") is NOT an apostle. Luke is NOT an apostle. Mark is NOT an apostle. The
letters of Peter were written by the evil one - NOT Simon Peter.
(A)With all do respect, you have NO UNDERSTANDING of what the anti Christ
is??.and yes I do, SCRIPTURE SPECIFICALY Identifies what and WHO & when is the
antichrist and NOWHERE in any scripture can a connection between Paul and the
antichrist be made. The term anitichrist is only mentioned in 3 verse in ALL of
scripture.
John 2:18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that
antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know
that it is the last time.
4:3. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the
flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have
heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2John 1:7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that
Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Paul did NONE of these things?????.. You have judged a man based on a FALSE
witness?With what judgment you judge so shall you be judged.........Speaking
evil of Gods word and messengers is not the way to go to heaven. Matthew
25:40.......Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my
brethren, ye have done it unto me.Further, Here is what the Apostle Peter had
to say???..
2 Peter 3: 15. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him
hath written unto you;
16. As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are
some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable
wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction????I
Believe this is what you and Carl are doing, perhaps unwittingly. However, my
authority in this mater is scripture, for which your position can demonstrate
none. And when you would be teachers you have need that someone teach you..
( N)Yeshuwa' (corrupted to "Jesus") is NOT God??..
( A)Really and what authority do you base this on? ???..The term Jesus is a
translation of the word used and the translation is JESUS?..are you Denying
JESUS??.. If so then YOU Neville and Carl and anyone else who prescribes to
this doctrine, according to John ARE THE ANTICHRIST?..My Authority is scripture
I quoted above. You are quoting ..Who??. This is Shameful you should know
better, the difference between someone?s BLASPHEMY and scripture. I have my
expertise plus 2000 years of additional exegetical expertise?? It is these
ridiculous arguments that are perverting terms from the "Original" mesoretic
Hebrew text which is not even the "Original" text quoted from in the NT?.That?s
right the " original Hebrew" source text you and your sources are "quoting"
from can be shown strictly from NT scripture to have been CORRUPTED AND
ALTERED??ummm?..Find a supposed Hebrew scholar who can debate me on this and
have him challenge me?I double double dare him!
(A) As for the meaning of 666 it dose not say it is the number of a man ONLY?It
states??..Revelation 13:18?.Let him that hath understanding count the number of
the beast: for it is the number of a man;?? it is the number of a beast AND a
man. There is only one other place in all of scripture you can find something
or someone that is reckoned as both a beast and a man. The beast has ten horns
and as a man it has ten toes in both case they represent ten kings in which God
would accomplish something. If you would listen to scripture and quit trying to
interpret, you would all know very easily what the Beast that came from the sea
and the MAN are referring to. They are all talking about the same thing??? Not
Because I say so but rather scripture and context defines, explains and
qualifies itself if you let IT do the talking and you do the
listening............
I urge anyone to turn away from this perversion and the accursed Gal 1:8 to
repent immediately!....... there is no scriptural basis for any of these
arguments!......I chalenge anyone from scripture!
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