[duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:32:06 -0500

Michael,

I've added an entry for us to track the problem with Layout, Join Styles
operating on the document you supplied.  This has reference #1587.  I'll
keep you posted when there is any news about this.

Best Regards,

Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Michael Surato
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:54 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles

Yes removal of linear styles, leaving the nestable styles would be ideal.
Presenting a list of styles to remove would be nice to have, but not
essential for our purposes.

I have attempted your method of removing these styles on the document I have
included, but was unable to remove the paragraph style. When I viewed the
codes, I found that the "join styles" command did not appear to do anything
with this document.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:46 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
> 
> Michael,
> 
> There is no such option.
> 
> However, you can, perhaps, effect something of the same thing if you 
> only mean to remove linear stlyes -- what most people call paragraph 
> styles.
> 
> Try this:
> - Choose Edit, Select All to highlight the whole document.
> - Choose Layout, Join Styles to put all the text into one set of style 
> tags.
> - Choose Edit, View Codes (if necessary) to put the document in coded 
> view.
> - Push Control-Home to move to the beginning of the document.
> - Now use the Arrow keys and backspace or delete to remove the 
> document's only start style tag for a linear style.  The corresponding 
> end style key should be removed automatically.
> 
> Nestable styles -- what most people call character styles -- will 
> remain even after this procedure.
> 
> It takes a bit more skill that what you suggest, so we'll keep your 
> request in mind.  And I'm not sure that it does all you want either.  
> Will you also want to clear nestable styles?  If you had your ideal 
> feature implemented, would it allow you to strip only linear or only 
> nestable or both kinds of styles?  Would it present a list of styles 
> referenced in the document for you to select those you want cleared?
> 
> - Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Surato
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:29 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
> 
> Along these same lines, is there an option to remove all styles from 
> the document? This would be similar to Word's "clear formatting"
> instruction. Alternatively, (perhaps a better option) would be to have 
> the "Word Importer..." dialog under global settings to have the option 
> to ignore Word styles. We are often looking to not use any styles but 
> have Word files as a source and this would be a good option for us.
> 
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs
> > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:08 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
> > 
> > Hmmmm.... Now I'm pondering. :)
> > 
> > The case you mention is not quite what I had in mind.  If a
> user knows
> > how to enter the style to find as a style tag, what is the
> likelihood
> > that he/she will then turn around enter the replacement
> style as plain
> > text?
> > Granted, I've seen stranger user behavior, but my gut is telling me 
> > that this scenario isn't going to happen all that often.  So **for 
> > this
> > scenario** I'd say clean up the error message.
> > 
> > The scenario I'm envisioning is  a bit different.  What if you 
> > imported a document from Word and, due to the default formatting in 
> > Word, wound up with text in Duxbury that was formatted with the 
> > paragraph style, but really should be formatted as text
> separated by a
> > new line?  In that instance, you could replace the paragraph style 
> > with the code [l] or [<].  So the user gets into the find/replace 
> > dialog, manually enters the style tag, manually enters the
> code, and
> > then sees the replace stylename checkbox and has to decide
> whether or
> > not to check it.  A reasonable thing, I think, for the user to 
> > conclude is that he/she is indeed replacing a stylename:
> > The stylename <para.> is being replaced with the code [l].  
> > That might not be what the intent of that checkbox is, but the user 
> > will check it all the same. :)  Even if you clean up the error 
> > message, our hypothetical user is not going to understand what the 
> > problem is.  So in this case I'd vote for either option 1
> (just do the
> > replace) or option 2 (are you sure you want to replace your
> style with
> > this code).
> > 
> > --Joanie
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:19 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
> > 
> > Joanie,
> > 
> > I've been pondering this a bit.
> > 
> > The behavior that you're now seeing -- apart from the
> ugliness of the
> > error message -- is at least somewhat intentional.
> > 
> > What I wonder is, when a user types in a "style name to find" 
> > as a style tag, and a "style name with which to replace it" 
> > as plain text, then checks "replace stylename", just what is the 
> > intent?  Is the user intending to replace style tags in the
> document
> > with plain text?  With "replace stylename"
> > checked, that's never what DBT will do.
> > 
> > So we deliberately stopped short of handling the "mixed
> entry method" 
> > case that you cite, for fear that we'd otherwise be doing something 
> > that the user wasn't expecting.  Perhaps with Undo
> available, that's
> > not such a big deal.
> > 
> > Anyhow, I have some choices for you (and others who may care to 
> > express an opinion).  Shall we:
> >   1. Just go ahead and replace the one style with the
> other, despite
> > the odd data entry,
> >   2. Warn the user about the apparent inconsistency, and go
> ahead with
> > the replacement if the user confirms it, or
> >   3. Just clean up the error message?
> > 
> > - Peter
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:23 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Finding and replacing styles
> > 
> > Hi all.  With respect to this fix:
> > ---
> > DBT's Find and Replace dialogs are more flexible about
> understanding a
> > user's intent to search for or replace styles. It is now
> possible to
> > use Control-< to enter the style as a tag and check the
> "Find/Replace
> > style"
> > checkbox.
> > ---
> > If you: 
> > 1. manually insert a style with Control-< 2. put a non-style in the 
> > replace with edit box 3. check the replace stylename checkbox
> >  
> > You still get the error dialog.  The error message isn't
> very pretty
> > either.
> > Here is the screen shot of the dialog that appeared when I tried to 
> > replace the para style with the linefeed code -- both of which were 
> > manually entered.
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > And for the benefit of screen reader users, here is the
> text (which I
> > would read with all punctuation turned on -- also note the 
> > non-printing character that appears after each open
> quotation -- JAWS
> > says it's "character 28")
> >  
> > There is no style defined with the name "es~para..  Are
> you sure you
> > want to replace all occurrences of the style "es~para. with "l?
> >  
> > Take care.
> > Joanie
> >  
> > 
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