Michael, I've added an entry for us to track the problem with Layout, Join Styles operating on the document you supplied. This has reference #1587. I'll keep you posted when there is any news about this. Best Regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Surato Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:54 AM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles Yes removal of linear styles, leaving the nestable styles would be ideal. Presenting a list of styles to remove would be nice to have, but not essential for our purposes. I have attempted your method of removing these styles on the document I have included, but was unable to remove the paragraph style. When I viewed the codes, I found that the "join styles" command did not appear to do anything with this document. +-------------------------------------------+ | Michael Surato | | Resource Center for Persons | | with Disabilities | | Michigan State University | | 120 Bessey Hall | | East Lansing, MI 48824 | | Voice: (517) 353-9643 Fax: (517) 432-3191 | +-------------------------------------------+ > -----Original Message----- > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:46 PM > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > Michael, > > There is no such option. > > However, you can, perhaps, effect something of the same thing if you > only mean to remove linear stlyes -- what most people call paragraph > styles. > > Try this: > - Choose Edit, Select All to highlight the whole document. > - Choose Layout, Join Styles to put all the text into one set of style > tags. > - Choose Edit, View Codes (if necessary) to put the document in coded > view. > - Push Control-Home to move to the beginning of the document. > - Now use the Arrow keys and backspace or delete to remove the > document's only start style tag for a linear style. The corresponding > end style key should be removed automatically. > > Nestable styles -- what most people call character styles -- will > remain even after this procedure. > > It takes a bit more skill that what you suggest, so we'll keep your > request in mind. And I'm not sure that it does all you want either. > Will you also want to clear nestable styles? If you had your ideal > feature implemented, would it allow you to strip only linear or only > nestable or both kinds of styles? Would it present a list of styles > referenced in the document for you to select those you want cleared? > > - Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Surato > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:29 PM > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > Along these same lines, is there an option to remove all styles from > the document? This would be similar to Word's "clear formatting" > instruction. Alternatively, (perhaps a better option) would be to have > the "Word Importer..." dialog under global settings to have the option > to ignore Word styles. We are often looking to not use any styles but > have Word files as a source and this would be a good option for us. > > +-------------------------------------------+ > | Michael Surato | > | Resource Center for Persons | > | with Disabilities | > | Michigan State University | > | 120 Bessey Hall | > | East Lansing, MI 48824 | > | Voice: (517) 353-9643 Fax: (517) 432-3191 | > +-------------------------------------------+ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs > > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:08 PM > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > > > Hmmmm.... Now I'm pondering. :) > > > > The case you mention is not quite what I had in mind. If a > user knows > > how to enter the style to find as a style tag, what is the > likelihood > > that he/she will then turn around enter the replacement > style as plain > > text? > > Granted, I've seen stranger user behavior, but my gut is telling me > > that this scenario isn't going to happen all that often. So **for > > this > > scenario** I'd say clean up the error message. > > > > The scenario I'm envisioning is a bit different. What if you > > imported a document from Word and, due to the default formatting in > > Word, wound up with text in Duxbury that was formatted with the > > paragraph style, but really should be formatted as text > separated by a > > new line? In that instance, you could replace the paragraph style > > with the code [l] or [<]. So the user gets into the find/replace > > dialog, manually enters the style tag, manually enters the > code, and > > then sees the replace stylename checkbox and has to decide > whether or > > not to check it. A reasonable thing, I think, for the user to > > conclude is that he/she is indeed replacing a stylename: > > The stylename <para.> is being replaced with the code [l]. > > That might not be what the intent of that checkbox is, but the user > > will check it all the same. :) Even if you clean up the error > > message, our hypothetical user is not going to understand what the > > problem is. So in this case I'd vote for either option 1 > (just do the > > replace) or option 2 (are you sure you want to replace your > style with > > this code). > > > > --Joanie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan > > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:19 PM > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > > > Joanie, > > > > I've been pondering this a bit. > > > > The behavior that you're now seeing -- apart from the > ugliness of the > > error message -- is at least somewhat intentional. > > > > What I wonder is, when a user types in a "style name to find" > > as a style tag, and a "style name with which to replace it" > > as plain text, then checks "replace stylename", just what is the > > intent? Is the user intending to replace style tags in the > document > > with plain text? With "replace stylename" > > checked, that's never what DBT will do. > > > > So we deliberately stopped short of handling the "mixed > entry method" > > case that you cite, for fear that we'd otherwise be doing something > > that the user wasn't expecting. Perhaps with Undo > available, that's > > not such a big deal. > > > > Anyhow, I have some choices for you (and others who may care to > > express an opinion). Shall we: > > 1. Just go ahead and replace the one style with the > other, despite > > the odd data entry, > > 2. Warn the user about the apparent inconsistency, and go > ahead with > > the replacement if the user confirms it, or > > 3. Just clean up the error message? > > > > - Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:23 PM > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Finding and replacing styles > > > > Hi all. With respect to this fix: > > --- > > DBT's Find and Replace dialogs are more flexible about > understanding a > > user's intent to search for or replace styles. It is now > possible to > > use Control-< to enter the style as a tag and check the > "Find/Replace > > style" > > checkbox. > > --- > > If you: > > 1. manually insert a style with Control-< 2. put a non-style in the > > replace with edit box 3. check the replace stylename checkbox > > > > You still get the error dialog. The error message isn't > very pretty > > either. > > Here is the screen shot of the dialog that appeared when I tried to > > replace the para style with the linefeed code -- both of which were > > manually entered. > > > > > > > > And for the benefit of screen reader users, here is the > text (which I > > would read with all punctuation turned on -- also note the > > non-printing character that appears after each open > quotation -- JAWS > > says it's "character 28") > > > > There is no style defined with the name "es~para.. Are > you sure you > > want to replace all occurrences of the style "es~para. with "l? > > > > Take care. > > Joanie > > > > > > > > * * * > > * This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. > > * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with > > * unsubscribe > > * as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also > > * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other > subscription > > * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. 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