[duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:46:27 -0500

Michael,

There is no such option.

However, you can, perhaps, effect something of the same thing if you only
mean to remove linear stlyes -- what most people call paragraph styles.

Try this:
- Choose Edit, Select All to highlight the whole document.
- Choose Layout, Join Styles to put all the text into one set of style tags.
- Choose Edit, View Codes (if necessary) to put the document in coded view.
- Push Control-Home to move to the beginning of the document.
- Now use the Arrow keys and backspace or delete to remove the document's
only start style tag for a linear style.  The corresponding end style key
should be removed automatically.

Nestable styles -- what most people call character styles -- will remain
even after this procedure.

It takes a bit more skill that what you suggest, so we'll keep your request
in mind.  And I'm not sure that it does all you want either.  Will you also
want to clear nestable styles?  If you had your ideal feature implemented,
would it allow you to strip only linear or only nestable or both kinds of
styles?  Would it present a list of styles referenced in the document for
you to select those you want cleared?

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Michael Surato
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:29 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles

Along these same lines, is there an option to remove all styles from the
document? This would be similar to Word's "clear formatting"
instruction. Alternatively, (perhaps a better option) would be to have the
"Word Importer..." dialog under global settings to have the option to ignore
Word styles. We are often looking to not use any styles but have Word files
as a source and this would be a good option for us.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:08 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
> 
> Hmmmm.... Now I'm pondering. :)
> 
> The case you mention is not quite what I had in mind.  If a user knows 
> how to enter the style to find as a style tag, what is the likelihood 
> that he/she will then turn around enter the replacement style as plain 
> text?
> Granted, I've seen stranger user behavior, but my gut is telling me 
> that this scenario isn't going to happen all that often.  So **for 
> this
> scenario** I'd say clean up the error message.
> 
> The scenario I'm envisioning is  a bit different.  What if you 
> imported a document from Word and, due to the default formatting in 
> Word, wound up with text in Duxbury that was formatted with the 
> paragraph style, but really should be formatted as text separated by a 
> new line?  In that instance, you could replace the paragraph style 
> with the code [l] or [<].  So the user gets into the find/replace 
> dialog, manually enters the style tag, manually enters the code, and 
> then sees the replace stylename checkbox and has to decide whether or 
> not to check it.  A reasonable thing, I think, for the user to 
> conclude is that he/she is indeed replacing a stylename:
> The stylename <para.> is being replaced with the code [l].  
> That might not be what the intent of that checkbox is, but the user 
> will check it all the same. :)  Even if you clean up the error 
> message, our hypothetical user is not going to understand what the 
> problem is.  So in this case I'd vote for either option 1 (just do the 
> replace) or option 2 (are you sure you want to replace your style with 
> this code).
> 
> --Joanie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:19 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
> 
> Joanie,
> 
> I've been pondering this a bit.
> 
> The behavior that you're now seeing -- apart from the ugliness of the 
> error message -- is at least somewhat intentional.
> 
> What I wonder is, when a user types in a "style name to find" 
> as a style tag, and a "style name with which to replace it" 
> as plain text, then checks "replace stylename", just what is the 
> intent?  Is the user intending to replace style tags in the document 
> with plain text?  With "replace stylename"
> checked, that's never what DBT will do.
> 
> So we deliberately stopped short of handling the "mixed entry method" 
> case that you cite, for fear that we'd otherwise be doing something 
> that the user wasn't expecting.  Perhaps with Undo available, that's 
> not such a big deal.
> 
> Anyhow, I have some choices for you (and others who may care to 
> express an opinion).  Shall we:
>   1. Just go ahead and replace the one style with the other, despite 
> the odd data entry,
>   2. Warn the user about the apparent inconsistency, and go ahead with 
> the replacement if the user confirms it, or
>   3. Just clean up the error message?
> 
> - Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:23 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Finding and replacing styles
> 
> Hi all.  With respect to this fix:
> ---
> DBT's Find and Replace dialogs are more flexible about understanding a 
> user's intent to search for or replace styles. It is now possible to 
> use Control-< to enter the style as a tag and check the "Find/Replace 
> style"
> checkbox.
> ---
> If you: 
> 1. manually insert a style with Control-< 2. put a non-style in the 
> replace with edit box 3. check the replace stylename checkbox
>  
> You still get the error dialog.  The error message isn't very pretty 
> either.
> Here is the screen shot of the dialog that appeared when I tried to 
> replace the para style with the linefeed code -- both of which were 
> manually entered.
>  
> 
>  
> And for the benefit of screen reader users, here is the text (which I 
> would read with all punctuation turned on -- also note the 
> non-printing character that appears after each open quotation -- JAWS 
> says it's "character 28")
>  
> There is no style defined with the name "es~para..  Are you sure you 
> want to replace all occurrences of the style "es~para. with "l?
>  
> Take care.
> Joanie
>  
> 
> 
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