[duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles

  • From: "Michael Surato" <suratomi@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:46:51 -0500

I heartily concur. In the long run, the flexibility to remove any type
of style would be a great feature. If that is not possible in this
release, then I would at least be satisfied with removing the linear
styles.

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        From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Breda
        Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:41 AM
        To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
        
        
        Hi Peter.
        
        I have had customers request a feature to remove all styles in a
document. Frankly I think if you were to press them on it y you would
realize they probably mean all linear styles but if all the options were
present and selectable as you suggest (ie. remove linear, nested, or
both or (all) is probably more accurate then customers could choose and
what with the undo feature present no choice would be catestroaphic.
        
        Don
        
        On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:46:27 -0500, Peter Sullivan wrote:
        
        >Michael,
        >
        >There is no such option.
        >
        >However, you can, perhaps, effect something of the same thing
if you only
        >mean to remove linear stlyes -- what most people call paragraph
styles.
        >
        >Try this:
        >- Choose Edit, Select All to highlight the whole document.
        >- Choose Layout, Join Styles to put all the text into one set
of style tags.
        >- Choose Edit, View Codes (if necessary) to put the document in
coded view.
        >- Push Control-Home to move to the beginning of the document.
        >- Now use the Arrow keys and backspace or delete to remove the
document's
        >only start style tag for a linear style. The corresponding end
style key
        >should be removed automatically.
        >
        >Nestable styles -- what most people call character styles --
will remain
        >even after this procedure.
        >
        >It takes a bit more skill that what you suggest, so we'll keep
your request
        >in mind. And I'm not sure that it does all you want either.
Will you also
        >want to clear nestable styles? If you had your ideal feature
implemented,
        >would it allow you to strip only linear or only nestable or
both kinds of
        >styles? Would it present a list of styles referenced in the
document for
        >you to select those you want cleared?
        >
        >- Peter 
        >
        >-----Original Message-----
        >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
        >Behalf Of Michael Surato
        >Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:29 PM
        >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
        >
        >Along these same lines, is there an option to remove all styles
from the
        >document? This would be similar to Word's "clear formatting"
        >instruction. Alternatively, (perhaps a better option) would be
to have the
        >"Word Importer..." dialog under global settings to have the
option to ignore
        >Word styles. We are often looking to not use any styles but
have Word files
        >as a source and this would be a good option for us.
        >
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        >
        >> -----Original Message-----
        >> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        >> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie
Diggs
        >> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:08 PM
        >> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        >> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
        >> 
        >> Hmmmm.... Now I'm pondering. :)
        >> 
        >> The case you mention is not quite what I had in mind. If a
user knows 
        >> how to enter the style to find as a style tag, what is the
likelihood 
        >> that he/she will then turn around enter the replacement style
as plain 
        >> text?
        >> Granted, I've seen stranger user behavior, but my gut is
telling me 
        >> that this scenario isn't going to happen all that often. So
**for 
        >> this
        >> scenario** I'd say clean up the error message.
        >> 
        >> The scenario I'm envisioning is a bit different. What if you 
        >> imported a document from Word and, due to the default
formatting in 
        >> Word, wound up with text in Duxbury that was formatted with
the 
        >> paragraph style, but really should be formatted as text
separated by a 
        >> new line? In that instance, you could replace the paragraph
style 
        >> with the code [l] or [<]. So the user gets into the
find/replace 
        >> dialog, manually enters the style tag, manually enters the
code, and 
        >> then sees the replace stylename checkbox and has to decide
whether or 
        >> not to check it. A reasonable thing, I think, for the user to

        >> conclude is that he/she is indeed replacing a stylename:
        >> The stylename <para.> is being replaced with the code [l]. 
        >> That might not be what the intent of that checkbox is, but
the user 
        >> will check it all the same. :) Even if you clean up the error

        >> message, our hypothetical user is not going to understand
what the 
        >> problem is. So in this case I'd vote for either option 1
(just do the 
        >> replace) or option 2 (are you sure you want to replace your
style with 
        >> this code).
        >> 
        >> --Joanie
        >> 
        >> -----Original Message-----
        >> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        >> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter
Sullivan
        >> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:19 PM
        >> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        >> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
        >> 
        >> Joanie,
        >> 
        >> I've been pondering this a bit.
        >> 
        >> The behavior that you're now seeing -- apart from the
ugliness of the 
        >> error message -- is at least somewhat intentional.
        >> 
        >> What I wonder is, when a user types in a "style name to find"

        >> as a style tag, and a "style name with which to replace it" 
        >> as plain text, then checks "replace stylename", just what is
the 
        >> intent? Is the user intending to replace style tags in the
document 
        >> with plain text? With "replace stylename"
        >> checked, that's never what DBT will do.
        >> 
        >> So we deliberately stopped short of handling the "mixed entry
method" 
        >> case that you cite, for fear that we'd otherwise be doing
something 
        >> that the user wasn't expecting. Perhaps with Undo available,
that's 
        >> not such a big deal.
        >> 
        >> Anyhow, I have some choices for you (and others who may care
to 
        >> express an opinion). Shall we:
        >> 1. Just go ahead and replace the one style with the other,
despite 
        >> the odd data entry,
        >> 2. Warn the user about the apparent inconsistency, and go
ahead with 
        >> the replacement if the user confirms it, or
        >> 3. Just clean up the error message?
        >> 
        >> - Peter
        >> 
        >> -----Original Message-----
        >> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        >> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie
Diggs
        >> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:23 PM
        >> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        >> Subject: [duxhelp] Finding and replacing styles
        >> 
        >> Hi all. With respect to this fix:
        >> ---
        >> DBT's Find and Replace dialogs are more flexible about
understanding a 
        >> user's intent to search for or replace styles. It is now
possible to 
        >> use Control-< to enter the style as a tag and check the
"Find/Replace 
        >> style"
        >> checkbox.
        >> ---
        >> If you: 
        >> 1. manually insert a style with Control-< 2. put a non-style
in the 
        >> replace with edit box 3. check the replace stylename checkbox
        >> 
        >> You still get the error dialog. The error message isn't very
pretty 
        >> either.
        >> Here is the screen shot of the dialog that appeared when I
tried to 
        >> replace the para style with the linefeed code -- both of
which were 
        >> manually entered.
        >> 
        >> 
        >> 
        >> And for the benefit of screen reader users, here is the text
(which I 
        >> would read with all punctuation turned on -- also note the 
        >> non-printing character that appears after each open quotation
-- JAWS 
        >> says it's "character 28")
        >> 
        >> There is no style defined with the name "es~para.. Are you
sure you 
        >> want to replace all occurrences of the style "es~para. with
"l?
        >> 
        >> Take care.
        >> Joanie
        >> 
        >> 
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