Sandy, I totally agree, but all this made me think of something that might be worth sharing on this list. I live in Milan, as most of you already know. In Italy people were not used (and not required, most of the time) to pick up after their dogs. Guide dog handlers, in most citiesand towns, are still not required to do. My city - although it's the second in Italy for number of inhabitants, and the first for business volume - has always been very dirty, with many streets littered with dog "leavings". The street next to mine was no exception, and that was particularly bad, because there is an elementary school on it, and a small park which is always full of young kids. Then, a couple of years ago, I got a toilet harness for Pretty, and trained her to use it. I taught her to find the garbage can afterwards, to throws the bag away. Many people observe me in silence; some ask questions, some compliment us on our education. But there is a more general result: more and more people are now picking up, because they have probably been challenged by seeing ablind person being so careful, so they have no excuses. Pretty's succeeded where the local police and their fines had failed... Useless to say that I "toilet-harness trained" Pretty with C/T!!! Hugs and wags, Ollie