In a message dated 9/13/2007 10:26:35 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, annedie@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: If anyone has positively oriented, clicker-thought-based suggestions or solutions for Martha's story, please go ahead and post them to the list. Otherwise, focusing negatively on what other people or their dogs do in public is definitely off-topic and not in the spirit of this list, so please take the discussion off list. I am choosing not to respond to her request as it seems very confrontational in her choice of questions plus we have nothing to go on but her word. She also states that she already knows the answers. Not very open-minded IMHO. Kind of clicker training in action.. ignore what you dont like and encourage what you do.. smiling wicked grin.. Please folks, lets be careful and prudent in our correspondence on the net. None of us really knows each other, although I have met some of the folks on the lists in person,and starting a flame-war against the general public and their training/lack of training wont change that. Education might. Focusing on the few folks who abuse a law designed to help us uphold our civil rights and use our choice of assistive device (lord I hate calling Alex that, even if it is true)won't help. Education might. People still speed and kill other people, even with a law prohibiting it. Heck, people still commit murder, even with the serious, life threatening penalties.. In my opinion, that alone is proof that punishment doesn't work. Sandy Foushee Infinite Paws-Abilities Training and Service Dogs Teamed with Alexandra Guide/Service Dog Colorado Service/Assistance Dog Club - Trainer.- ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com