Although in fairness, isn't that criticism about workstations? either way, Let's all agree to disagree and gather around for a group hug...... Jeff On 1/24/06, Jeff Pitsch <jepitsch@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Thanks Jim!!! > > Jeff > > > On 1/24/06, Jim Kenzig http://ThinHelp.com <http://thinhelp.com/> < > jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Darn freelists put in a %2 use this one... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell > > Inc.#Criticism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell+Inc.#Criticism> > > > > *"Jim Kenzig http://ThinHelp.com <http://thinhelp.com/>">* wrote: > > > > You don't need to Jeff, just direct him to the Wikipedia entry on > > Dell and read about them... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell%2C_Inc. > > Look under the criticism heading... interesting to note that the entry for > > IBM and HP have no such heading. : ) > > JK > > > > > > *Jeff Pitsch <je>* wrote: > > > > Have you read any of my statements? i have said they are my opinion. > > I'm sorry if I haven't taken the time to list out my complaints (like > > OpenManage which was stated) and those of my clients (like hard drives that > > can't be replaced anymore because of some bizarre firmware issues). So > > please before you start throwing mud, please read my posts in their entirety > > again. yes I will bring up the fact of lights out and being in front means > > more than just a processor, it also deals with management software (again), > > hardware in all it's forms, blades, racks, etc, support for all of it. That > > is what I have to deal with with my customers, I have to look at > > everything. > > > > Besides, this entire thread is about peoples opinions and experiences, > > right or wrong. > > > > If you really want, I'll get one of my customers to list out why they > > threw dell out on to the curve. It will take a couple of days but I'll get > > the list. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > On 1/23/06, Roger Riggins <roger.riggins@xxxxxxxxxx > wrote: > > > > > > Jeff, you said "…everything about Dell servers pales in comparison to > > > HP and IBM". I simply want to know why. If you can't expound on your > > > statements then we'll take them for what they're worth and move on. If > > > it's > > > merely an opinion, then say so and don't present it as fact. Rusty's > > > original post was about Dell 1885 blades. You didn't even answer his > > > question, but immediately slammed Dell and its entire server line. It's > > > obvious that YOU are the one that has strong feelings about Dell. Maybe > > > Rusty isn't interested in lights out or being the first on the block to > > > run > > > AMD procs in his NOC. Does that mean that mean that he s till shouldn't > > > look > > > at Dell? > > > > > > Look, you are an enormous asset to this list and your opinion probably > > > carries much weight fo r many readers. That may be even more reason for > > > you > > > to be sure to distinguish between fact and opinion. > > > > > > As for this thread being about me: We are mixed Dell/HP. Our last > > > server purchase was HP servers. I have no loyalty either way and I was > > > never > > > offended. All I'm doing is calling a spade a spade. > > > Roger Riggins > > > Network Administrator > > > Lutheran Services in Iowa > > > w: 319.859.3543 > > > c: 319.290.5687 > > > http://www.lsiowa.org > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On > > > Behalf Of *Jeff Pitsch > > > *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2006 7:07 PM > > > *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > *Subject:* [THIN] Re: OT: Dell PE 1855 Blade Servers > > > > > > Yes it doe s because Dell will ALWAYS be behind the other two. How > > > long have they had to develop a Management product for their servers and > > > it > > > still stinks? Come one, 7, 8 years or more? they can't do better than > > > open > > > manage? Still requiring VNC to be installed to remote the server? hardly > > > a lights out solution. > > > > > > I don't know how anyone has offended you but you obviously feel very > > > strongly in Dell. Great have fun with them but don't take this thread > > > like > > > it's a personal discussion about you. > > > > > > Jeff Pitsch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Kenzig <web@xxxxxxxxxx> > > CEO The Kenzig Group > > http://www.kenzig.com > > Sponsor ships Available! <http://www.kenzig.com/217/227/index.html> > > Blog: http://www.techblink.com > > Terminal Services Downloads: http://www.thinhelp.com > > Windows Vista: http://www.VistaPop.com <http://www.vistapop.com/> > > Virtualization: http://www.virtualize-it.com > > Games: http://www.stressedpuppy.com > > > > > > > > > > Jim Kenzig <web@xxxxxxxxxx> > > CEO The Kenzig Group > > http://www.kenzig.com > > Sponsorships Available! <http://www.kenzig.com/217/227/index.html> > > Blog: http://www.techblink.com > > Terminal Services Downloads: http://www.thinhelp.com > > Windows Vista: http://www.VistaPop.com <http://www.vistapop.com/> > > Virtualization: http://www.virtualize-it.com > > Games: http://www.stressedpuppy.com > > > >