Thanks Jim!!! Jeff On 1/24/06, Jim Kenzig http://ThinHelp.com <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Darn freelists put in a %2 use this one... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell > Inc.#Criticism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell+Inc.#Criticism> > > *"Jim Kenzig http://ThinHelp.com <http://thinhelp.com/>">* wrote: > > You don't need to Jeff, just direct him to the Wikipedia entry on Dell and > read about them... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell%2C_Inc. Look under > the criticism heading... interesting to note that the entry for IBM and HP > have no such heading. : ) > JK > > > *Jeff Pitsch <je>* wrote: > > Have you read any of my statements? i have said they are my opinion. I'm > sorry if I haven't taken the time to list out my complaints (like OpenManage > which was stated) and those of my clients (like hard drives that can't be > replaced anymore because of some bizarre firmware issues). So please before > you start throwing mud, please read my posts in their entirety again. yes I > will bring up the fact of lights out and being in front means more than just > a processor, it also deals with management software (again), hardware in all > it's forms, blades, racks, etc, support for all of it. That is what I have > to deal with with my customers, I have to look at everything. > > Besides, this entire thread is about peoples opinions and experiences, > right or wrong. > > If you really want, I'll get one of my customers to list out why they > threw dell out on to the curve. It will take a couple of days but I'll get > the list. > > Jeff > > > On 1/23/06, Roger Riggins <roger.riggins@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Jeff, you said "…everything about Dell servers pales in comparison to > > HP and IBM". I simply want to know why. If you can't expound on your > > statements then we'll take them for what they're worth and move on. If it's > > merely an opinion, then say so and don't present it as fact. Rusty's > > original post was about Dell 1885 blades. You didn't even answer his > > question, but immediately slammed Dell and its entire server line. It's > > obvious that YOU are the one that has strong feelings about Dell. Maybe > > Rusty isn't interested in lights out or being the first on the block to run > > AMD procs in his NOC. Does that mean that mean that he s till shouldn't look > > at Dell? > > > > Look, you are an enormous asset to this list and your opinion probably > > carries much weight fo r many readers. That may be even more reason for you > > to be sure to distinguish between fact and opinion. > > > > As for this thread being about me: We are mixed Dell/HP. Our last server > > purchase was HP servers. I have no loyalty either way and I was never > > offended. All I'm doing is calling a spade a spade. > > Roger Riggins > > Network Administrator > > Lutheran Services in Iowa > > w: 319.859.3543 > > c: 319.290.5687 > > http://www.lsiowa.org > > > > -----Original Message----- > > *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On > > Behalf Of *Jeff Pitsch > > *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2006 7:07 PM > > *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > *Subject:* [THIN] Re: OT: Dell PE 1855 Blade Servers > > > > Yes it doe s because Dell will ALWAYS be behind the other two. How > > long have they had to develop a Management product for their servers and it > > still stinks? Come one, 7, 8 years or more? they can't do better than open > > manage? Still requiring VNC to be installed to remote the server? hardly > > a lights out solution. > > > > I don't know how anyone has offended you but you obviously feel very > > strongly in Dell. Great have fun with them but don't take this thread like > > it's a personal discussion about you. > > > > Jeff Pitsch > > > > > > > > > Jim Kenzig <web@xxxxxxxxxx> > CEO The Kenzig Group > http://www.kenzig.com > Sponsor ships Available! <http://www.kenzig.com/217/227/index.html> > Blog: http://www.techblink.com > Terminal Services Downloads: http://www.thinhelp.com > Windows Vista: http://www.VistaPop.com <http://www.vistapop.com/> > Virtualization: http://www.virtualize-it.com > Games: http://www.stressedpuppy.com > > > > > Jim Kenzig <web@xxxxxxxxxx> > CEO The Kenzig Group > http://www.kenzig.com > Sponsorships Available! <http://www.kenzig.com/217/227/index.html> > Blog: http://www.techblink.com > Terminal Services Downloads: http://www.thinhelp.com > Windows Vista: http://www.VistaPop.com <http://www.vistapop.com/> > Virtualization: http://www.virtualize-it.com > Games: http://www.stressedpuppy.com >