[THIN] Re: OT: Dell PE 1855 Blade Servers
- From: Jeremy Saunders <jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:44:50 +0800
Sorry Evan. I didn't mean for it to come across like that. But when I
re-read what I wrote, I can see how you thought that. Let me justify my
comments by saying that this is my experience.
Gateway shirvelled up and died. Not sure what shape they are in now, but
they pulled out of Australia completely. IBM went through a rough time in
the early 90's, but is now stronger than ever. And I bet many others also
did. You never know what tomorrow may bring.
Kind regards,
Jeremy Saunders
Senior Technical Specialist
Integrated Technology Services &
Cerulean
IBM Australia
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We donât buy Dell's because they are cheaper, we buy them because myself,
and my manager have had nothing but good experiences with them. Myself
over the past 6 years, and my manager in the past 8+. Sure, at my last
gig, a non-profit, we got them because they were cheaper, but we never had
any issues. We could have gone with HP, Compaq, or IBM at my current
employer, but prior experiences gave us no reason to change. I think it's
ignorant to assume people buy Dell ONLY because they are cheaper.
I see merit to going with a company with a longer history, but do people
really think Dell is just going to shrivel up and die out of the blue? Or
that they will suddenly drop their server market? I don't see that
happening. So why does it matter that another company has been around
longer and focuses more on a particular market? If someone's experience
using Dell servers has been positive from day one, then why did they need
to spend more money in the first place?
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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 6:04 PM
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I agree 100% with Jim. However, putting all the comparisons aside, we need
to respect that some companies don't have budgets and management buy in
like others. So they have to achieve the same solution with a lot less
funding. Isn't that the reason why most people choose Dell's? Whilst
99.99999% of the time we sell HP's and IBM's, there is always going to be
that one project we do every now and then that is based on Dell's. At the
end of the day, you may not get the same performance and reliability out of
them, but they still work and will do the job.
Interesting comments about the 1855 blades though. Fancy a Dell salesman
saying that.
Rusty, I deployed a couple of 1850 1U servers a few weeks back, which are
being used as Citrix Servers. The only catch was that we had to disable the
DRAC Virtual Devices during the build process, as our 2nd partition was
being set to E: and not D:. The Virtual CD ROM drive automatically took D:
which failed our build process because we build Citrix servers with the
Profiles (Documents and Settings) folder on the D: drive.
Cheers.
Kind regards,
Jeremy Saunders
Senior Technical Specialist
Integrated Technology Services &
Cerulean
IBM Australia
Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth WA 6005
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http://www.ibm.com/services/au/its
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All I can say is this. When I make a decision it is an intelligent and
informed one. One of the largest criterion for a decision I make when it
comes to hardware and software(or any product for that matter) is the
companies reputation in the industry, their experience with a given
architecture, how long have they been and around and how long do I expect
will they be around in the future.
It is a rarity that I have made a poor decision. My ISP has never gone
belly up, my cell phone company has never changed hands and neither have my
utility companies I choose.
Compaq, Dec have changed hands, as have gateway and a myriad of other
hardware vendors. IBM has always been IBM and HP has always been HP. Both
companies have been around a lot longer then Dell. IBM has been around
since the early 1900's, HP has been around since the late 1930's and Dell
only came onto the sc ene about 15 years or so ago. They have a long way to
go before they catch up to IBM or HP.
JK
Roger Riggins <roger. wrote:
So you choose IBM not because they have a better product, but because of
their reputation? Just clarifying.
Roger Riggins
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Um I wasn't comparing the hardware...I was comparing the companies
and their stature in the industry.
JK
From: roger.riggins
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I still donât get it. If there is no comparison in hardware, then
you should be able to rattle off some differences that make it so.
Roger Riggins
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Lutheran Services in Iowa
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You are reading between the lines. I was mearly stating to
Roger that both IBM and HP hardware have a bigger stake in the
server business and are more committed to it then Dell ever
was or ever will be. I am sure that dell equipment runs just
fine and serves your purpose but there really is no
comparison. Dell still needs to grow up and decide what kind
of company it is going to be. IBM and HP are already there.
JK
Evan Mann <emann@com> wrote:
I've got a couple 7 year old Dell PE servers still running
today that have had zero problems. On e of them is a data
base server with heavy I/O and CPU use (it's now relegated to
a testing machine, too slow obviously). So my experiences
tells me that Dell ca n keep up just fine with the
competitors in terms of quality of equipment, uptimes, etc.
My support experiences have been top notch as well.
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