[texbirds] Re: Need your knowledge
- From: Cameron Carver <c.o.carver@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "labtroglodyte@xxxxxxxxx" <labtroglodyte@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:31:02 -0600
I do have an open couch policy and will guide when I am in town. Good luck
catching me when I am in town though.
GO RED RAIDERS!
Cameron Carver
Currently not in Lubbock.
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> On Nov 15, 2013, at 18:53, peter keyel <labtroglodyte@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I think Bruce Bodson's post is right on the money here. These issues are not
> actually about doing good science or following what the science/evidence
> suggests. It's about knocking down the data that contradicts your data/what
> you want to do so that you can convince people that you are right in doing
> what you want to do.
>
> If they came up with a stat claiming that 350' is far enough, you need to
> knock that one down. If it's old, if it's in the wrong state/habitat, if
> there are new studies, if you can find a couple examples where endangered
> species/habitat had problems with the close buffer, etc, these are all things
> that will help knock it down.
>
> If they attack eBird data, the data can and need to be defended. While there
> are some known caveats to eBird data, there are caveats on all databases and
> it remains the premier database on bird sightings. What would probably be
> very helpful would be to contact the eBird staff and see if they have
> statements highlighting the science (ie # of publications using eBird data)
> done using eBird (especially using Texas and ideally your county data), the
> new avenues of research eBird data has opened up, and the fact that the
> reviewers are all expert, local birders who ensure good, quality data goes
> into eBird. These sorts of statements probably go into their grant
> applications, so it should be readily available.
>
> FWIW, Missouri tracks bird sitings in their Conservation Areas and State
> Parks through their CACHE/SPARKS databases. These databases put the data into
> eBird as well. Clearly they value eBird as a national repository of bird data.
>
> If it was the developer's biologist who didn't like the inclusion of other
> counties, it doesn't matter what he thinks, just whether you can adequately
> address his concerns to the committee. His goal is to knock down your science.
>
> Cameron made a good point about skill levels of biologists involved. If the
> people who have put eBird data in for your county/area have many years' worth
> of eBird data, that will further counter claims that eBird is entered by a
> bunch of novices, especially if the birders have more experience with the
> area than the developers' biologists.
>
> When you look into these alternative databases, you need to do so with full
> scientific rigor. By that, I mean finding all of the flaws, from checklist
> density, any potential observer biases, sampling biases, lack of effort
> information, adequate description of species observed, no pictures in their
> database, etc.
>
> These sorts of issues also help illustrate why it is really helpful for
> everyone out birding to put their observations into eBird. There are a lot of
> places (especially up here in the South Plains/Panhandle) that are still
> underbirded, so the data aren't as strong. If any of y'all want to come up
> and help bird up here, we get Evening Grosbeaks and had a Gyrfalcon. Probably
> Black-billed Magpies/Rosy-finches could be found, too, if the Panhandle was
> better birded. Plus, I'll generously offer Cameron's or Anthony's couch as a
> place to stay when coming up to bird the South Plains/Panhandle ;)
>
> Peter Keyel
> Lubbock, TX
> labtroglodyte@xxxxxxxxx
>
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