[texbirds] Re: Need your knowledge
- From: Jim Sinclair <jim.sinclair@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 15:35:57 -0600
To expand upon Brush's comments a bit, Texas is unique among the states for
the percentage of land in private ownership. A lot of that secrecy is
driven by the landowners themselves. That is their right and privilege.
On some projects the data are only withheld during the competitive period,
then released later on.
But the issue that I find most disturbing is when so-called
environmentalists gain access to data, then cherry-pick that data to
further their own (usually radical) agenda. I know of a few landowners who
have terrific ecotourism resources that no longer allow the public on their
property for just such reasons.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Brush Freeman <brushfreeman@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> For nearly every work project I have involved the data is proprietary
> Some more tightly enforced than others. However if gov funded most that
> can be accessed via the FOIA eventually if one wants to go to the trouble
> or if it is a matter of natl. security. If funded with private funds it
> could be data lost forever
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Cameron Carver <c.o.carver@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Yes, people need to realize that there are a dozen or so different
> databases out there (or more). BUT in this increasingly interconnected,
> globalized digital world that we live it would be nice (and a goal to
> strive for) to have a single, universal database for bird observations. And
> don't get me started on the secret nature of some research and personal
> observations. People need to get over themselves. We don't own our
> observations and we don't own the science we conduct. Sharing is caring.
> >
> >
> > And in the interest of full disclosure and to cover my ass, I work under
> non-disclosure agreements and fully comply with them. Just doesn't mean
> that I agree with them.
> >
> >
> > Also... Sorry for that secrecy tangent.
> >
> > Cameron Carver
> > Lubbock, TX
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 15, 2013, at 14:06, "gil.eckrich" <gil.eckrich@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> On the other hand, too much reliance on ebird, or some other
> 'database', can
> >> be misleading. On more than one occasion I had out-of-state
> >> birders/photographers contact me to adjust or even cancel a field trip
> to
> >> Fort Hood to see Black-capped Vireo or Golden-cheeked Warbler because
> they
> >> had perused ebird and had found NO reports for either species for the
> >> installation. I tried to explain, sometimes unsuccessfully, that our
> data is
> >> entered in our own database and not into ebird.
> >> Gil Eckrich
> >> Belton
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: texbirds-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> texbirds-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> On Behalf Of Susan Schaezler
> >> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:05 AM
> >> To: Texbirds
> >> Subject: [texbirds] Need your knowledge
> >>
> >> We had one interesting event in the zoning hearing and I wanted to ask
> our
> >> talented Texbirders. This was the gist :
> >>
> >> "the developer described ebird as being run by an out-of-state college,
> as
> >> if it's a bad thing. You know, ivy leagues are unreliable. "
> >>
> >> Their biologist continued by implying it was for more novice/casual
> birders
> >> and wasn't reliable. They use Geospace and since I didn't have a single
> >> bird listed, they were surprised. I told them I had never heard of it
> and
> >> all my birds are in Ebird and some get into the RBA
> >>
> >> The Commission members wanted me to see if I needed to enter data
> somewhere
> >> else. The developers saw the pictures of the birds, but no data.
> >>
> >> So, please share your knowledge!
> >>
> >> Susan Schaezler
> >> WarblerWoods.org
> >> 501(c)(3) Cibolo/Schertz/Guadalupe County Lone Star Land Steward Winner
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