I agree with Jamie. I had an experience that soured me on a particular handler. And no I won't name names, not now, not ever ! The thing that griped me most about that was to think the handler thought I was so naive I didn't not know what that handler was trying to do. I also agree with Kathy Tank in regards to ethic's and the way Ken manages the dogs he shows. It has been so many years, I may not be correct, but if I am he did handle a bitch of my breeding to select. CH Arelee's Jama'a. Ask him for me, will you Kathy ? He can probably remember better than I, he is younger !! LOL Gail Sprock handled for us also and took a 9-12 puppy bitch to RWB at the National, under Connie in 1980 or 81. She went on to finish at an early age by going BOB at the GSDC of San Diego, and that judge's name escapes me at the moment. I think it may have been Bud Drew.That was CH. Arelee's Spellbound. Bud you can correct me if I am wrong. There are some great handler's and most of them are ethical and do their best for you and the animal you entrusted to them. My (late) husband was also an AKC lic. handler. Beryl Eshom Arelee Davis, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx> To: <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The difference between handlers > In a message dated 10/1/2008 9:06:44 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx writes: >> The great ones get the best out of the dog and give 100% UNBIASED effort >> into each dog they show, no games >> no holding back in order to further their own agendas. > This is VEEERRRYY important to me......have had too many handlers that > will > hold a dog back to finish another one, decide among themselves who will > win > that day, etc. You newbies out there watch your handlers closely. > Jamie > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or > FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the > original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY > MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS > PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY > FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL > BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================