I don't think this stuff is that complicated. Handlers shouldn't show dogs that they own or co-own at shows where they're taking other people's money to show their dogs, period. It's a very obvious conflict of interest. tom elkins Firethorn Temple http://www.firethorntemple.com -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kathy Tank Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 4:11 PM To: Showgsd-l Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The difference between handlers I think it has to be understood and divulged up front that a handler is bringing in a dog. As long as a person has that choice and that knowledge in advance, then they can choose whether or not to show. If the handler is ethical, has integrity, and I realize some do not, the handling will be a 100% effort for every dog. Also, very often handlers often enter their OWN dogs to help hold a major for a client's dog, that may need it....funny though, that is seldom noticed or appreciated. Usually , speaking for us, mind you, it is our own dogs that get the least grooming, warm up and attention at a show. We are usually so hurried from class to class with clients' dogs, that are own dogs are often brought right out of the crate , right into the ring. If you are going to short change a dog at a show, it damn well better be your OWN dog that gets the least . I do know of handlers that play the games that use "gas dogs" , that use clients' to further their own agendas. It is appalling, and gives a bad name to all. Choose a handler with integrity, with honesty. Make sure they are "up front" about whom is being shown, and where.....you can choose to show, or not, that way. Kathy Tank http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com Home of : CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle WEBSITE PUP-DATED SEPT 22, 2008 On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Barbara Galasso <uwish@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > A couple of people wrote to me privately and complained about handlers > showing their own dogs while they were also showing clients dogs. They > thought this was a very wrong thing to do. They felt like it was a > conflict of interest. What do you think? Do you think it's good > business for a handler to show his own dogs at the same show that he > shows your dogs? Do you feel that you are still getting 100% from that > handler when he/she shows his own dogs? What about the expenses and > handling fees when a handler wins with his own dog rather than yours? > Barbara > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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