Beryl, Yes, I did handle Jama'a to select, at the National in Phoenix under Fran Ford, and thank you for the vote of confidence. I have always tried to go out of my way to avoid the appearance of impropriety. Really folks, that's what we're talking about, the appearance of impropriety, whether there is any or not, we need to avoid bad impressions. Handlers seem to be the usual target, and that's ok, we can take the heat. In a perfect world, judges would not breed or exhibit, handlers would not breed and only handle clients dogs and club officials would not breed or exhibit. The bottom line, however, is it is ALL on the judges. If they are honest, there is really no problem. Now, that being said, I think for the most part they are honest, but again we go back to the appearance of impropriety. Quite a circle. Just breed better dogs. Kathy and Ken http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com Home of : CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle WEBSITE PUP-DATED SEPT 22, 2008 On W > > that griped me most about that was to think the handler thought I was so > naive I didn't not know what that handler was trying to do. > I also agree with Kathy Tank in regards to ethic's and the way Ken manages > the dogs he shows. It has been so many years, I may not be correct, but if I > am he did handle a bitch of my breeding to select. CH Arelee's Jama'a. > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================