What has driven a large wedge between performance of any kind and conformation is the belief that dogs who show in conformation will be ruined if they know a little obedience. I watch in amazement people handling their dogs getting them ready for the conformation ring. The dogs pulling lunging on the leash like crazy animal. We watch our entries drop for the same reason. There are few among us owners that can keep up with a dog for any distance at the speed and style of which out dogs are shown. When folks figure out they can not be competitive without having a handler they go on to performance. They get involved with the training and feel more a part of the competition. They take there Could Have Been Champions and make performance animals out of them. I believe the GSD is better for it. We don't see to may over done animals in conformation any more. There are a few but not many. As we get fewer and fewer handlers that can run to keep up with our breed what do you think is going to happen to our entries at specialty shows? We can see it already here in the west. With out hosting performance events our club would not have survived. If it takes 16 dogs and 17 bitches to make a 3 point major and all of the dogs are adults that are entered then the club has 825 dollars to work with. You can't put on too much of a show for 825.00 You add rally obedience and obedience you make money. If you can host agility trails you will make even more money. With that income the specialty clubs can continue to host specialty shows. With that in mind I always talk to the people at the obedience trials and encourage them to attend our trials I make sure they have plenty of pictures to choose from and if they ask I will try to explain conformation to them. Who knows maybe I will encourage them to come watch and learn. Terry RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx wrote: When I first started in this Breed it was in obedience. I realized very quickly that this was not going to cut it for me. Too much damn work! For those who love and enjoy this part of our sport, I take my hat off to you. Enjoy to your hearts content. Back in the day (40+yrs) the German Shepherds exhibited in obedience were, to say the least, lacking in proper conformation. This has changed somewhat. Did I say somewhat? Yes I did. I have never made it my agenda to correct the thinking of the people in this sport, unless asked. What really gets to me is the cavalier way some in the sport of obedience use this list to degrade conformation dogs. Now it is temperament, yesterday it was something else. I believe both venues need improvement. Fix your problems, then come talk to me! When we fix all of our problems, I'll come talk to you. Randy C. P.S. By the way is this still a CONFORMATION list? ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================