There are several issues in our breed. Dead tails. Lack of follow through. Dragging Toes. Weak backs. Shoulders. Pasterns. I could go on.... Some of these are very severe in our breed right now. So, should we allocate an Observer to watch over judges in each of these areas too? No we should not. We elect judges to judge. Let them do it. If they don't do a good job in one way or another, simply do not elect them again. Jeff Pyle Windfall -----Original Message----- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx To: carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 7:48 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Temperament Well, that's you and if everyone in the middle of the ring did the same we ouldn't need a test. How many times have you seen poor temperament verlooked/rewarded? s for socialization, I still think it's important. I agree, it's not oing to change character, but I don't think it's quite fair for a dog to be ulled out of a pen and thrown into van, wet down, blown out, handed off to a stranger, subject to bells, whistles etc. and be expected to show their rue colors. It might work, it might not. Why leave anything to chance? o you thing the horses that will start in the derby this weekend have been ver to the paddock on non-race day a few times? Do you think they've racticed in the gate??? (Rhetorical question; horses need a "gate card" before being eligible to be entered.) prefer to take a baby to a handful of classes, a handful of children's porting practices etc. and make everything fun. And I've got house dogs ol. But not all dogs live underfoot, I get that. athy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC elebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions isit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) n a message dated 5/4/2011 9:13:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, arolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx writes: Temperament in our breed is most important, but the observer at a F/M slaughable. A knowledgeable and honest judge will determine a dog's emperamentimmediately. I am so adamant about temperament in the GSD, that I do noteven feel that socialization is a viable option. A dog that has to be ocialized does not have the mind or instinctive character of a GSD. Character s orever;training can fail. arolyn =========================================================================== OST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the riginal author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of ny kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of he Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group nd its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions xpressed in any post. 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