Your are welcome Jeff, but I read most of the info in the Prochnow Report 1, he saw and overhauled the cameras at the Braunschweig Municipal Museum, they belonged to the F&H Rollei Werke Museum and were bought by the Municipal Museum during the bankruptcy, some of these prototypes no longer were in the original condition because were used for some experiments. I forgot to mention that Dr. Wandersleb contact prints in the book were taken with Zeiss-Ikon Ortho Ultra Film with the Tessar 3.8/100mm #1126934. Carlos 2010/3/3 Jeff Kelley <jlkphoto@xxxxxxxxx>: > Carlos, > > Thanks for the history lesson. > > Jeff > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of CarlosMFreaza >> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:56 PM >> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: [rollei_list] >> >> There were three Rollei TLR prototypes using a bigger format than 6x6. >> In 1930 there was a 7cm x 9cm prototype based on the original >> Rolleiflex, it was attempted to replace the focusing knob by >> a crank in this model, the camera in the Brunswick Municipal >> Museum does not have lens but Prochnow guesses it was used >> for the second prototype. >> Problem with this prototype was the rectangular format while >> keeping the reflex viewfinder like for the square format, the >> Newton viewfinder for the vertical format was not comfortable to use. >> The second prototype was the 1931 9x9 model, 14 cameras were >> hand made, they used 122 film format and a Zeiss Tessar lens >> 3.8/100mm with Compur shutter 1/250 fastest speed. This >> version was inspired in the >> 4x4 Rolleiflex and the original Rolleiflex and had a >> sophisticated 4 spindler focusing driver The net format was >> 8.5x8.5cm, 6 frames could be taken with the 122 film. This >> model was thought for the professional market but it was >> assumed that the calculated sales figures did not justify >> full-scale production and then the prototype never went into >> production, however some professionals photographer used the >> 14 hand made prototypes. >> The Tessar lens looks very sharp in the contact prints taken >> by Dr Wandersleb from Zeiss with the 7x 9 and 9x9 prototypes >> and shown in the Report 1 (reduced for the book). >> In 1932 was made a third prototype that could change from the >> 9x9 format to the 6.5x8.5 format but it never was produced >> for the market. >> >> Carlos >> >> >> >> >> 2010/3/3 Jeff Kelley <jlkphoto@xxxxxxxxx>: >> > Jerry, >> > >> > Interesting! Do you know if the Rollei 9x9 ever went into >> full production? >> > There is very little I can find online. Something I just >> came across >> > said these were "recalled" due to a "soft lens." >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry Lehrer >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:40 PM >> >> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: [rollei_list] >> >> >> >> Jeff, >> >> >> >> Rollei (F&H) did make a 9x9cm camera. I used 9x12cm sheet >> film, one >> >> sheet at a time, when I could not get 122 film in 1945. >> >> >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> >> >> Jeff Kelley wrote: >> >> > To keep Allen's theme going I'll mention, for those >> >> interested, Kodak >> >> > has announced the availability of Ektar 100 film in 4x5 and >> >> 8x10 to be >> >> > available April, 2010. (I'm amazed....) >> >> > >> >> > Did Rollei ever make a 4x5 or 8x10 format camera? >> >> > >> >> > Jeff >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> >> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Allen Zak >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:49 PM >> >> >> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> >> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: [rollei_list] >> >> >> >> >> >> Unlike in marriage, it is quite acceptable to like several >> >> different >> >> >> items in any given category. Betcha there are several >> >> Rollei people >> >> >> who, while loving Rollei, actually favor Leica. As a prominent >> >> >> lesbian once remarked, responding to charges of hetero >> apostasies, >> >> >> "Just because I'm a cat person doesn't mean I can't pet a >> >> puppy once >> >> >> in a while." >> >> >> >> >> >> Allen Zak >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 3, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Coming onto a Rolleiflex list and telling everybody >> your favorite >> >> >>> camera is a Mamiya 6 is a new something. I'm not sure what. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> [Rabs] >> >> >>> Mark William Rabiner >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > --- >> >> > R >> >> >> >> --- >> >> Rollei List >> >> >> >> - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> >> >> - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' >> >> in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org >> >> >> >> - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with >> 'unsubscribe' >> >> in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org >> >> >> >> - Online, searchable archives are available at >> >> //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2716 - Release >> >> Date: 03/02/10 23:34:00 >> >> >> > >> > --- >> > Rollei List >> > >> > - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > >> > - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' >> > in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org >> > >> > - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with >> 'unsubscribe' >> > in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org >> > >> > - Online, searchable archives are available at >> > //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list >> > >> > >> --- >> Rollei List >> >> - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' >> in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org >> >> - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with >> 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into >> www.freelists.org >> >> - Online, searchable archives are available at >> //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2720 - Release >> Date: 03/02/10 23:34:00 >> > > --- > Rollei List > > - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' > in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Online, searchable archives are available at > //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list > > --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list