[pure-silver] Re: finding a new paper
- From: Jeffrey Thorns <puresilver@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:01:16 -0800
If warmtone is what you're looking for, the Ilford WT papers are nice.
Tomorrow I am going to get a small package of Forte warmtone and see
if it looks better. I had gotten used to the slightly warm cast of
Agfa with Agfa Neutol WA, and now neutral papers look green to me,
perhaps also as you say because warm tone developers cause that.
I also found some Agfa paper online and ordered a lot of it, but I
know that eventually I'll have to find something else.
--shannon
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannon Stoney" <sstoney@xxxxxxx>
To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] finding a new paper
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I am trying to find
a paper that substitutes for Agfa multigrade FB. Today I tried
Forte polygrade FB, but so far I don't really like it. Maybe I
need to try different dialings on the color head, but the images
look sort of flat to me, with poor separation in the highlights.
If I try for more contrast, they get too dark in the shadows.
Also it has an unpleasant greenish cast to me. I am still using
my old Agfa neutol WA paper developer. Could that be the problem?
I guess my next attempt will be with Ilford. Ilford paper, Ilford
developer.
Is there any consensus about what paper is closest to Agfa in
scale? I like the Agfa developer and some people say that somebody
bought the right to keep making it, but I am willing to switch.
--shannon
Changing developer may help although I suspect the paper is
contributing. Ilford's paper developers are Phenidone based and
tend to be pretty neutral in tone. If you are willing to mix your
own there are all sorts of options. I think Ryuji Suzuki has a
couple of paper formulas on his web site, they would certainly be
worth trying.
Agfa Neutol WA is intended to get warm tones on papers. I have no
idea what is in it but many warm tone developers tend toward a sort
of olive overtone.
I used Ilford paper for years and may go back to it. I stopped
using Multigrade IV Deluxe because it was adjusted to compensate
for overdeveloped T-Max and Delta films and I could not get the
mid-tone and highlight contrast to be right at the same time. I've
always liked Agfa papers but they are no more. I am still
experimenting with the off-brand stuff from Freestyle. Kodak had
the handle on making paper which was very consistent in its
properties, dried flat, etc. Ilford is probably the next best. Agfa
always had a personality all its own, even when it was made in the
US and sold under the Ansco name. Even the odor was the same. It
could look beautiful but I always had problems with edge frilling
and uneven surfaces with both Agfa and Ansco fiber paper.
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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