[pure-silver] Re: finding a new paper
- From: "Eric Neilsen Photography" <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:51:30 -0600
The closest surface to Agfa 118 is in the Kentmere line as far as I've seen.
I haven't tried it yet as most of the customers that would have used it
switched to my digital printing.
I question the wisdom of stocking up on Agfa papers. Of all the papers that
I ever used, it was the most prone to age fog. Heck even boxes of the
shelves of dealers would be fogged. I hate to buy up a bunch of product just
to see it compromised by fog. And while you can over come that somewhat, it
is still less that perfect.
Forte was too green for my taste in Zonal Pro. Ilford WT with a little sepia
with a weak bleach and light selenium is nice.
Eric
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> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher Woodhouse
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:26 PM
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> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: finding a new paper
>
> I love Agfa Classic and admit to buying a few boxes more than usual when
> their demise was apparent. From the calibration work I do for RH Design
> customers, I see a lot of papers from all over the world, (mostly European
> and occasionally China. IMHO there were only 3 companies that made good
> variable contrast papers, Agfa, Kodak and Ilford. By good, I'm referring
> to
> long controllable contrast range, as well as good blacks at soft grade
> settings and most importantly, consistency. I saw evidence of strange
> tonality at soft grades with many other papers, with portions of the tonal
> range virtually without contrast. I also could see colour shifts
> throughout
> the tonal scale (without toning).
>
> Agfa was my preferred choice, since with one paper I could achieve subtle
> cool or warm tones and its reaction to Selenium was especially useful
> pictorially. With Agfa and Kodak gone, we are in the hands of Ilford.
> Their
> coating plants are more advanced than others (or so I have been led to
> believe by ex-employees) and you can achieve most things with Multigrade
> IV
> and Warmtone together.
>
> Straight prints on Fibre are very similar, but for me MG IV takes on a
> magenta hue in Selenium, hence the reason to switch to Warmtone on
> selected
> images.
>
> I for one shall be returning to Ilford products once my Agfa paper
> expires.
>
> Regards Chris Woodhouse ARPS
> www.ktphotonics.co.uk
>
>
> On 17/2/06 23:17, "Shannon Stoney" <sstoney@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I am trying to find a
> > paper that substitutes for Agfa multigrade FB. Today I tried Forte
> > polygrade FB, but so far I don't really like it. Maybe I need to try
> > different dialings on the color head, but the images look sort of
> > flat to me, with poor separation in the highlights. If I try for
> > more contrast, they get too dark in the shadows. Also it has an
> > unpleasant greenish cast to me. I am still using my old Agfa neutol
> > WA paper developer. Could that be the problem?
> >
> > I guess my next attempt will be with Ilford. Ilford paper, Ilford
> developer.
> >
> > Is there any consensus about what paper is closest to Agfa in scale?
> > I like the Agfa developer and some people say that somebody bought
> > the right to keep making it, but I am willing to switch.
> >
> > --shannon
> >
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