[pure-silver] Re: finding a new paper
- From: "Eric Neilsen Photography" <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:15:10 -0600
Shannon, No, I mean that the paper has a slight to very obvious gray tone in
what should be paper white. You can use some very light pre bleach and or
anti fog, but it doesn't seem to give the same quality print when compared
to a nice fresh piece of paper.
Eric Neilsen Photography
4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
214-827-8301
http://ericneilsenphotography.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shannon Stoney
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:26 AM
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: finding a new paper
>
> >The closest surface to Agfa 118 is in the Kentmere line as far
> as I've seen.
> >I haven't tried it yet as most of the customers that would
> have used it
> >switched to my digital printing.
> >
> >I question the wisdom of stocking up on Agfa papers. Of all
> the papers that
> >I ever used, it was the most prone to age fog. Heck even boxes
> of the
> >shelves of dealers would be fogged. I hate to buy up a bunch
> of product just
> >to see it compromised by fog. And while you can over come that
> somewhat, it
> >is still less that perfect.
> >
> >Forte was too green for my taste in Zonal Pro. Ilford WT with
> a little sepia
> >with a weak bleach and light selenium is nice.
>
>
> I agree that Forte is a little green in Zonal Pro, especially
> under
> flourescent light. It looks a little less green, IMHO, if you
> use
> Agfa Neutol WA developer with it, but who knows how long that
> will be
> around.
>
> By fogging, do you mean those funny little black specks that
> sometimes show up in the margins, or more substantial fogging
> than
> that?
>
> --shannon
>
> >
> >Eric
> >
> >
> >Eric Neilsen Photography
> >4101 Commerce Street
> >Suite 9
> >Dallas, TX 75226
> >http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
> >http://ericneilsenphotography.com
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-
> >> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher Woodhouse
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:26 PM
> >> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: finding a new paper
> >>
> >> I love Agfa Classic and admit to buying a few boxes more
> than usual when
> >> their demise was apparent. From the calibration work I do
> for RH Design
> >> customers, I see a lot of papers from all over the world,
> (mostly European
> >> and occasionally China. IMHO there were only 3 companies
> that made good
> >> variable contrast papers, Agfa, Kodak and Ilford. By good,
> I'm referring
> >> to
> >> long controllable contrast range, as well as good blacks at
> soft grade
> >> settings and most importantly, consistency. I saw evidence
> of strange
> >> tonality at soft grades with many other papers, with
> portions of the tonal
> >> range virtually without contrast. I also could see colour
> shifts
> >> throughout
> >> the tonal scale (without toning).
> >>
> >> Agfa was my preferred choice, since with one paper I could
> achieve subtle
> >> cool or warm tones and its reaction to Selenium was
> especially useful
> >> pictorially. With Agfa and Kodak gone, we are in the hands
> of Ilford.
> >> Their
> >> coating plants are more advanced than others (or so I have
> been led to
> >> believe by ex-employees) and you can achieve most things
> with Multigrade
> >> IV
> >> and Warmtone together.
> >>
> >> Straight prints on Fibre are very similar, but for me MG IV
> takes on a
> >> magenta hue in Selenium, hence the reason to switch to
> Warmtone on
> >> selected
> >> images.
> >>
> >> I for one shall be returning to Ilford products once my
> Agfa paper
> >> expires.
> >>
> >> Regards Chris Woodhouse ARPS
> >> www.ktphotonics.co.uk
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17/2/06 23:17, "Shannon Stoney" <sstoney@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I am trying
> to find a
> >> > paper that substitutes for Agfa multigrade FB. Today I
> tried Forte
> >> > polygrade FB, but so far I don't really like it. Maybe I
> need to try
> >> > different dialings on the color head, but the images look
> sort of
> >> > flat to me, with poor separation in the highlights. If I
> try for
> >> > more contrast, they get too dark in the shadows. Also it
> has an
> >> > unpleasant greenish cast to me. I am still using my old
> Agfa neutol
> >> > WA paper developer. Could that be the problem?
> >> >
> >> > I guess my next attempt will be with Ilford. Ilford
> paper, Ilford
> >> developer.
> >> >
> >> > Is there any consensus about what paper is closest to
> Agfa in scale?
> >> > I like the Agfa developer and some people say that
> somebody bought
> >> > the right to keep making it, but I am willing to switch.
> >> >
> >> > --shannon
> >> >
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