[pure-silver] Re: finding a new paper
- From: Eric Nelson <emanmb@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:42:06 -0800 (PST)
I think fog was an issue for me w/Agfa as well, some
time ago. Foggy memory too.
Forte Warmtone in Ansco 115 (I've not compared
w/Dektol, etc) is soft hence the earlier thread
re:boosting 115's contrast. I did some limited
printing w/ this combo the other day and adding
carbonate to 115 did not adversely affect the warmth
although I did not do a before and after comparison.
No filter worked out fine for a couple images I needed
to print. Typically I'm using 3.5 for most images
w/out the added carbonate. (5 gms to 1/2 liter stock)
Eric
--- Eric Neilsen Photography
<eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The closest surface to Agfa 118 is in the Kentmere
> line as far as I've seen.
> I haven't tried it yet as most of the customers that
> would have used it
> switched to my digital printing.
>
> I question the wisdom of stocking up on Agfa papers.
> Of all the papers that
> I ever used, it was the most prone to age fog. Heck
> even boxes of the
> shelves of dealers would be fogged. I hate to buy up
> a bunch of product just
> to see it compromised by fog. And while you can over
> come that somewhat, it
> is still less that perfect.
>
> Forte was too green for my taste in Zonal Pro.
> Ilford WT with a little sepia
> with a weak bleach and light selenium is nice.
>
> Eric
>
>
> Eric Neilsen Photography
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pure-silver-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher
> Woodhouse
> > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:26 PM
> > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: finding a new paper
> >
> > I love Agfa Classic and admit to buying a few
> boxes more than usual when
> > their demise was apparent. From the calibration
> work I do for RH Design
> > customers, I see a lot of papers from all over the
> world, (mostly European
> > and occasionally China. IMHO there were only 3
> companies that made good
> > variable contrast papers, Agfa, Kodak and Ilford.
> By good, I'm referring
> > to
> > long controllable contrast range, as well as good
> blacks at soft grade
> > settings and most importantly, consistency. I saw
> evidence of strange
> > tonality at soft grades with many other papers,
> with portions of the tonal
> > range virtually without contrast. I also could see
> colour shifts
> > throughout
> > the tonal scale (without toning).
> >
> > Agfa was my preferred choice, since with one paper
> I could achieve subtle
> > cool or warm tones and its reaction to Selenium
> was especially useful
> > pictorially. With Agfa and Kodak gone, we are in
> the hands of Ilford.
> > Their
> > coating plants are more advanced than others (or
> so I have been led to
> > believe by ex-employees) and you can achieve most
> things with Multigrade
> > IV
> > and Warmtone together.
> >
> > Straight prints on Fibre are very similar, but for
> me MG IV takes on a
> > magenta hue in Selenium, hence the reason to
> switch to Warmtone on
> > selected
> > images.
> >
> > I for one shall be returning to Ilford products
> once my Agfa paper
> > expires.
> >
> > Regards Chris Woodhouse ARPS
> > www.ktphotonics.co.uk
> >
> >
> > On 17/2/06 23:17, "Shannon Stoney"
> <sstoney@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I
> am trying to find a
> > > paper that substitutes for Agfa multigrade FB.
> Today I tried Forte
> > > polygrade FB, but so far I don't really like it.
> Maybe I need to try
> > > different dialings on the color head, but the
> images look sort of
> > > flat to me, with poor separation in the
> highlights. If I try for
> > > more contrast, they get too dark in the shadows.
> Also it has an
> > > unpleasant greenish cast to me. I am still
> using my old Agfa neutol
> > > WA paper developer. Could that be the problem?
> > >
> > > I guess my next attempt will be with Ilford.
> Ilford paper, Ilford
> > developer.
> > >
> > > Is there any consensus about what paper is
> closest to Agfa in scale?
> > > I like the Agfa developer and some people say
> that somebody bought
> > > the right to keep making it, but I am willing to
> switch.
> > >
> > > --shannon
> > >
> >
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