All good points. You can't make a silk purse out of sow's ear Dep't. The real goods must be on the negative. So we're back to the guy behind the camera again. The buck stops with him. There comes a time when practice ends and we're post-graduate. I call it the 'take-off moment." We continue to learn, but it's from experience and what we learn is incidental and en passant. We're actually into doing real work. Bob -----Original Message----- From: gkoch02@xxxxxxxxxx To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 6:43 AM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: The Quest and My Heresy?? >Again, *in some cases*, the original image just acts as a canvas and it's the post-processing that creates the >WOW factor. > >There are various excellent examples in Tim Rudman's books where the straight prints look (sorry Tim !) just >boring but the final result is of another magnitude. I have a completely different take on this. If a straight print is boring then no amount of manipulation is going to turn that negative into a great photo. Just producing a striking print is not enought. There has to be someting there to start with. That's the reason that I don't tone or do anything else to my prints. If a negative can't speak for itself then nothing is going to help it and that's the end of it. Copying others is a good learning technique but not something that one wants to keep doing. I am reminded of the composer Engelbert Humperdinck who venerated the work of Wagner. Except for his opera Hansel and Gretel he comes off as a second rate, imitation Wagner. There are too many two bit Ansel Adams in photography today. To cite only one example. Jerry ============================================================================================================To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.