[Precisionix-General] Re: Name change
- From: Andrew Sorensen <aos@xxxxxxx>
- To: precisionix-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:44:27 -0700
On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 09:58 +0000, Fergus Allan wrote:
> There are some weaknesses in linux, here is my list:
>
> 1: The linux community has a habit of trying to emulate the features
> in Windows. Its worst features.
Yes, Im not sure exactly how we are going to avoid this --- as its part
of the desktops that are out there now, but maybe we can still do
somethings about it
>
> 2: The installation process is still poor, and very slow compared to
> Windows XP.
I'm really not sure what you mean here, I find linux easier to install
than Windows XP, and its certainly faster, especially faster than vista!
>
> 3: The performance is slow in a lot of respects
Yes, boot speeds and other things happen to be quite slow, however many
distributions include LOTS of bloatware by default (like bluetooth
enabled on a computer without bluetooth) and such, I really want to
change the init scripts right away and make boots and shutdowns faster.
And include some sort of utility that would automatically remove bloat
from the system)
>
> 4: Installing software is a nightmare compared to windows. I can
> often install small programs on windows. Linux tends to have very large
> dependencies.
Yeah, were gonna have to use a new GUI frontend to APT/dpkg to make it
easy to install things, along with some tools to help assist in
installation of software we cant package due to legal reasons (For
example googleearth).
>
> 5: The interdependencies in linux software is excessive. Its the
> biggest failure area, and I have frequently encountered circular
> dependencies or version incompatibilities.
I haven't had these problems mostly that much since the days of suse
9.x, and haven't seen it at all in newer distros, I think the situation
of this is improving!
>
>
> I installed freebsd 4.4 some time ago. I almost fell off my chair how fast
> it is. I installed 6. Its as slow as the rest.
Once again, bloat and poorly done init scripts, I really do hope to cut
down on unneeded things.
>
> I don’t know why the modern distros have become so slow. Remember, these
> used to run on 486 processors.
Yeah, and now most people run 686 processors, so maybe we can work on
packaging things for i686 and i486 (or maybe just support i586 plus)?
Other things where we can gain performance would be in by not having
update checking start as soon as the user logs in, maybe it could wait a
few seconds so that the users desktop is loaded first.
> Something else to throw into the mix, I used to have an Amiga 1000. (Still
> got it actually). It's power supply is 25 watts(input) and was produced
> around 1984.
>
> Even my super latest Intel 8300 laptop has a power supply of 150W (input).
>
> This does not even take into account improvements in rectifying electricity,
> so the computer end would be worse.
Yeah, until some people decided that computers needed to do more
powerful things like games and video, and the demands went up
>
>
>
> I think there needs to be a clear set of objectives.
Agreed, we need to work on this before we go off and package any more
things. Im looking for everyones feedback on this subject, and we can
work on setting a goal.
> Sorting out the packages and dependencies would be an excellent step, but
> given the efforts else where, I think its a difficult problem.
>
>
> Fergus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: precisionix-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:precisionix-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert
> O'Callahan
> Sent: 14 August 2008 05:32
> To: precisionix-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Precisionix-General] Name change
>
> Andrew asked me to join this to suggest new names for the project. I
> think a linux distro could distinguish itself by courting Chinese
> desktop users. Right now, all (generalizations are generally accurate
> for the Chinese) Chinese desktop users run pirated copies of Windows.
> While, their government's claims that they are cracking down on piracy
> are unlikely, I think it still is an untapped linux desktop market.
> Just package emule, skype, and msn (all Chinese use these programs）
> compatible clients along with out-of-box tor, decent CJK fonts, and
> SCIM/SKIM, and it would be an easy sell as superior to Windows. This
> is the largest untapped Linux market. There would be some conflict
> over being unsanctioned by their government, but this just means our
> distro will be distrod via emule.
>
> This could still be a multilingual-supporting distro, but attracting
> Chinese users would be an easy way to make it successful.
>
> I don't care much for the name PrescioNix. I suggest Inschato, since
> everyone who I've ever mentioned that string to has commented how
> catchy it is. If you guys are interested in the Chinese tack, I
> suggest Kuai Long (Fast Dragon).
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
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