[Precisionix-General] Re: Name change
- From: "Taras Kostiak" <taraskostiak@xxxxxxxx>
- To: precisionix-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:22:05 +0300
Maybe forum instead of wiki? Or both?
2008/8/17 Fergus Allan <f_w_allan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> I would suggest starting with a wiki so that the ideas can be coalesced.
>
> Fergus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: precisionix-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> precisionix-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Sorensen
> Sent: 15 August 2008 02:47
> To: precisionix-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Precisionix-General] Re: Name change
>
>
> On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 17:25 -0700, Jared Hoover wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:29 AM, <jp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Yes, multi=language is very important. I have been working on
> > a system
> > for allowing this easy change; but, i am very stressed to get
> > many things
> > done- for one: getting internet installed at my new
> > apartment. . .
> >
> > > I'm suggesting that we target multiple languages (have it
> > ask at grub
> > > what language and in installer) and if the user is Chinese
> > then they get
> > > to a Chinese version of the website that would offer to
> > install skype
> > > and such for them.
> > > As for the weaknesses mentioned below, I will address these
> > in a latter
> > > email (don't worry, it wont be that long).
> > > On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 09:58 +0000, Fergus Allan wrote:
> > >> Who is Chinese on this group? How many people?
> > >>
> > >> Off memory about 6 years ago (maybe more) the Chinese
> > government started
> > >> a
> > >> project for linux. This was also part of a ploy to get
> > lower Windows
> > >> prices, but also, a serious use of linux. Lots of
> > governments are
> > >> seriously
> > >> looking at linux. The French police and a few others have
> > already
> > >> migrated
> > >> to it. (It was the same year Bill Gates visited downing
> > street or there
> > >> abouts).
> > >>
> > >> Remember there are 1.2B Chinese people, and a lot of very
> > good
> > >> programmers
> > >> within that community. They are already Chinese distros of
> > linux - but
> > >> I
> > >> cant read CJK (alright I know about 5 symbols out of a very
> > large
> > >> number).
> > >>
> > >> There are some weaknesses in linux, here is my list:
> > >>
> > >> 1: The linux community has a habit of trying to
> > emulate the features
> > >> in Windows. Its worst features.
> > >>
> > >> 2: The installation process is still poor, and very
> > slow compared to
> > >> Windows XP.
> > >>
> > >> 3: The performance is slow in a lot of respects.
> > >>
> > >> 4: Installing software is a nightmare compared to
> > windows. I can
> > >> often install small programs on windows. Linux tends to
> > have very large
> > >> dependencies.
> > >>
> > >> 5: The interdependencies in linux software is
> > excessive. Its the
> > >> biggest failure area, and I have frequently encountered
> > circular
> > >> dependencies or version incompatibilities.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I installed freebsd 4.4 some time ago. I almost fell off
> > my chair how
> > >>
> > fasthttp://
> www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/080717-F-2907C-169.JPG
> > >> it is. I installed 6. Its as slow as the rest.
> > >>
> > >> I don't know why the modern distros have become so slow.
> > Remember,
> > >> these
> > >> used to run on 486 processors.
> > >>
> > >> Something else to throw into the mix, I used to have an
> > Amiga 1000.
> > >> (Still
> > >> got it actually). It's power supply is 25 watts(input) and
> > was produced
> > >> around 1984.
> > >>
> > >> Even my super latest Intel 8300 laptop has a power supply
> > of 150W
> > >> (input).
> > >>
> > >> This does not even take into account improvements in
> > rectifying
> > >> electricity,
> > >> so the computer end would be worse.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I think there needs to be a clear set of objectives.
> > >>
> > >> Sorting out the packages and dependencies would be an
> > excellent step,
> > >> but
> > >> given the efforts else where, I think its a difficult
> > problem.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Fergus
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: precisionix-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> [mailto:precisionix-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of Robert
> > >> O'Callahan
> > >> Sent: 14 August 2008 05:32
> > >> To: precisionix-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Subject: [Precisionix-General] Name change
> > >>
> > >> Andrew asked me to join this to suggest new names for the
> > project. I
> > >> think a linux distro could distinguish itself by courting
> > Chinese
> > >> desktop users. Right now, all (generalizations are
> > generally accurate
> > >> for the Chinese) Chinese desktop users run pirated copies
> > of Windows.
> > >> While, their government's claims that they are cracking
> > down on piracy
> > >> are unlikely, I think it still is an untapped linux desktop
> > market.
> > >> Just package emule, skype, and msn (all Chinese use these
> > programs）
> > >> compatible clients along with out-of-box tor, decent CJK
> > fonts, and
> > >> SCIM/SKIM, and it would be an easy sell as superior to
> > Windows. This
> > >> is the largest untapped Linux market. There would be some
> > conflict
> > >> over being unsanctioned by their government, but this just
> > means our
> > >> distro will be distrod via emule.
> > >>
> > >> This could still be a multilingual-supporting distro, but
> > attracting
> > >> Chinese users would be an easy way to make it successful.
> > >>
> > >> I don't care much for the name PrescioNix. I suggest
> > Inschato, since
> > >> everyone who I've ever mentioned that string to has
> > commented how
> > >> catchy it is. If you guys are interested in the Chinese
> > tack, I
> > >> suggest Kuai Long (Fast Dragon).
> > >>
> > >> -Rob
> >
> >
> > I speak enough Chinese to get by. My girlfriend has a bachelors
> > degree in Chinese and she has lived in Beijing for a semester before
> > so she is pretty familiar with the cuture etc. If we need someone to
> > write documentation or a website in Chinese she would be able to do
> > that.
> >
> So lets just support multiple languages then? I was hoping to target
> multiple user groups. We can certainly work on having things ready
> Chinese and other languages to! and SCIM/SKIM support) we will need to
> see what we can do about multiple languages and about how we can fit it
> on a CD and such, maybe have a extra language disk? we will have to look
> at other Linux distros and see what most users like, and base stuff like
> this on it.
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