John Shutt wrote: > However, I will state categorically that not one single ATSC > receiver manufactured or prototyped today works as well as a > 1999 vintage cobbled together DVB-T box did in Baltimore, nor > as well as a prototype truly mobile HM-COFDM receiver did in > Las Vegas in 2000, nor as well as diversity COFDM receivers > did in NYC in 2004. First, we don't have DVB-T's COFDM here, so "we" have to make 8-VSB work. All the rest is just idle talk, at this point. If adding some modes after the fact is one way to achieve this, so be it. Second, and I should have mentioned this yesterday, I wonder what the LG 5th gen, even without the dynamic echo tolerance figures of the Samsung Gemini, would do in true mobile use if it had diversity antennas. Diversity antennas should be much more beneficial to 8-VSB than they are to COFDM. Diversity antennas would relieve a lot of stress from the equalizer. > Argue all you wish about a theoretical 2 dB advantage I'm sure you are deliberately misrepresenting this, since we have just finished discussing the point. The theoretical advantage you mention is 4 dB. This means, according to Sinclair, that in theory it would require 2.51 times as much power to achieve the same range, at a given spectral efficiency, comparing 8-VSB with COFDM. The 2 dB figure was the actual advantage measured in the field by Sinclair, comparing COFDM receivers of 1999 to 1st gen 8-VSB receivers of the time. While it would be instructive to re-test, e.g. with the current LG versions of both COFDM and 8-VSB, no one has done this. No one has done this. I repeat. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.