[opendtv] Re: --FCC OKs WiFi between TV channels
- From: "John Willkie" <jmwillkie@xxxxxxx>
- To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:43:44 -0700
Bob, I wasn't asking for marketing hype, second hand impressions and
ignorant "right now a store (I don't know the type ...") assumptions. You
are out of your element.
And, if you think young people buying receivers for people who don't want
them is a measure of success ...
John Willkie
-----Original Message-----
From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Bob Miller
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 7:31 PM
To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [opendtv] Re: --FCC OKs WiFi between TV channels
John Willkie wrote:
>John;
>
>I'm not so sure that your points are opposed to one another. Aren't there
>over a dozen manufacturers of STBs for ATSC in the U.S.? And, do you know
>how well those Freeview boxes are to find in U.K. stores?
>
>
From the Freeview site...
"FREEVIEW is available from a wide range of retailers - from national
electrical retailers to smaller independent electrical retailers, and
also in other well known high street retailers, department stores and
supermarkets."
From talking to people there I have heard of large displays or
quantities of receivers piled up in supermarkets. Right now a store (
don't know the type) called Comet is offering a receiver for 25 Pounds
if you buy 150 Pounds worth of other stuff.
Here is an URL
http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/172.html
From a post at Digital Spy Forums
"thought it would be a good idea for people who see offers on freeview
equipment to post them here , for example - Comet - Spend £150+ get a
(insert model) freeview box for £25 , offer ends (insert date)."
They list 14 manufacturers and say there are more here.
http://www.freeview.co.uk/whatdoineed/boxes.html
>Aren't the acquirers quite different? In the U.S., young and well-off tend
>to buy HDTV sets. In the U.K., the old and infirm buy Freeview boxes: it's
>their first chance to see the multichannel universe.
>
>
In the UK it is the young, well off or not, who have been buying
receivers. In many cases they buy one for their parents who would not
otherwise buy one. It is the old who have been most resistant to
Freeview. It was and is one of the few negatives about the service, how
to entice older viewers to make the switch when they are happy with what
they have. One consistant story is of the kids buying for the parents
and then teaching them how to use it.
>Where do you think the electronics retailers should display the ATSC stbs?
>I've NEVER had trouble finding one in Circuit City or Best Buy or Tweeter:
>in no case did it take me longer than 45 seconds from entering the store.
>
>
On a recent visit to a Best Buy in New York they had to look for an OTA
receiver. They knew they had one. It was setting near a sales desk with
a pile of other things on it. No one knew much about it. It was the only
one they had thats for sure.
Bob Miller
>Do you think they should put an ATSC STB (profit on sales probably <$50) in
>front of an HDTV set (profit on sales probably >$500)?
>
>Have you noticed that the high-profit items at Seven-Eleven are near the
>cash register? Have you noticed that the high-profit items for adults are
>at eye level in supermarkets, and the high-profit items for kids are at
>ground level?
>
>Do you notice that when you call up your cable company to complain about
>something you have to swim through a torrent of promotional messages for
>digital cable, and the service rep will tell you that your problem can be
>solved by an upgrade to digital?
>
>Do you think that retailers are in it for love? Or profit?
>
>I suspect that the manufacturers are meeting demand. Never, when I've
asked
>a retailer in the last three years if they had a Samsung or Zenith STB in
>stock, was I told no. I might even buy one within a few weeks.
>
>John Willkie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of John Shutt
>Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 5:34 PM
>To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [opendtv] Re: --FCC OKs WiFi between TV channels
>
>
>I also find it very curious that in Great Britain, you find Freeview boxes
>manufactured by over a dozen manufacturers everywhere electronics are sold,
>yet here in the United States you have to really search for one or two
>brands at the huge nationwide retail electronics chains.
>
>Either the manufacturers are waiting for the next generation of receiver
>chips and the next iteration of ATSC standards before flooding the market
>with STBs, or else the fast approaching tuner mandates have made it
economic
>suicide to even try to design new STBs.
>
><http://uk.shopping.yahoo.com/search.html?cat=0&p=Freeview&brd=0&pfrom=&pto
=
>&m=b>
>
><http://www.circuitcity.com/searchresults.jsp?c=1&b=g&u=c&catoid=-11081&dep
a
>rtment=Televisions&first=yes&qp=0&dupDept=null&m=0>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
>>The odd thing about this transition is that walking into a store,
>>no one would ever guess it has been taking place for the last 6
>>years plus.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways:
>
>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at
>FreeLists.org
>
>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word
>unsubscribe in the subject line.
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways:
>
>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at
FreeLists.org
>
>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word
unsubscribe in the subject line.
>
>
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways:
- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at
FreeLists.org
- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word
unsubscribe in the subject line.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways:
- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at
FreeLists.org
- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word
unsubscribe in the subject line.
Other related posts:
