[ncolug] Re: Ugh, I feel pain coming....
- From: Chuck <cstickelman@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: ncolug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 15:29:37 -0500
On Thu, 2016-02-04 at 12:42 -0500, tech4u wrote:
I tried Mate also but found Peppermint much lighter and less to fuss
with.
Cory
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what they do not manage, and those who manage what they do not
understand. -- Putt's Law
The only way to discover the limits of the possible is to go beyond
them into the impossible. -- Arthur C. Clarke
On 2/4/16 12:18 PM, Chuck wrote:
On Thu, 2016-02-04 at 10:30 -0500, tech4u wrote:
Hey Chuck,
I have found that Peppermint OS works pretty good 'out of the
box' for non-techy, generic users who just want to surf the web
and do email.
Cory
--
Technology is dominated by two types of people: those who
understand what they do not manage, and those who manage what
they do not understand. -- Putt's Law
The only way to discover the limits of the possible is to go
beyond them into the impossible. -- Arthur C. Clarke
On 2/4/16 12:27 AM, Chuck wrote:
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 18:45 -0500, Mike wrote:
On 02/02/2016 09:15 PM, Mike wrote:
Windows 10: Microsoft Sets Operating System to Download
Automatically
as 'Recommended' Update
The software update was previously designated "optional."
As a
"recommended" update, Windows 10 will begin downloading on
Windows 7,
8 and 8.1 computers set to update automatically.
Mike
Most of the replies so far really were not what I was
thinking when I
posted this.
I'm really initially was thinking why am I (or anyone) being
forced to
download this? Much of the world still uses metered
connections, or
simply don't have this big fat pipe that MS seems to think we
all have.
Doing what I've been doing, reloading machines, getting them
internet
ready. This means that if it's not already in my image(s) it
will be
soon. More bloat, more time to image. This isn't huge in
and of
itself. I'm more concerned about the next phase, shutdown
one night,
find 10 installing the next morning. Paranoia? Maybe but we
are nearly
now, they have *forced* the download, it's far for
inconceivable that a
switch will be flipped and poof, there it is.
All the above is without even mentioning all the other ills
that 10
bring with it. Someday perhaps people will realize that MS
free isn't
OSS. In my view it's just another loss of freedom, being
forced to the
will of others, and what they *think* we want.
Blah blah blah, I'll stop now.
Mike
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I agree. This whole "You want this" attitude is annoying. My
wife's laptop is exactly how she wants it. It is not up to
someone in Redmond to decide she has to change. That's not how
a free society is supposed to work. If MS wants to offer 10
for free, then good for them. If some people do not want to
use it, then good for them. Being forced to deal with this shit
pisses me off, and that's not good for anyone. In the end I'm
guessing Linux is going to be on her computer before the end of
the year, which is good for me, as I won't have to support MS
crap anymore.
Thanks Cory!
I will look into it, for sure. My Dad was using the Mate edition of
Linux Mint and we both liked it, as it was something I could easily
support, and it was easy for him and his wife to use. I'm probably
going to take Susie's laptop in that direction. I liked Mate so
much that I have installed much of it on my Debian box, which is
also a possible direction for Susie's laptop. Like
I've reviewed Peppermint's documentation and I WILL NOT be using it.
Here's why:
1. Debian (the source of the goodness behind Ubuntu, and therefore
Peppermint) had a design goal which stipulated only 1 fresh install per
computer was ever needed. You can go from one "version" to another in Debian
without ever having to do a fresh install. Any "Debian-based" distro that does
not conform to that standard is broken. full stop. B R O K E N. (Note: This is
not to say there might not be times when a user wants a fresh install, but it
should NEVER be forced on someone.)
2. Also, Peppermint's website clearly states: "If you decide you DO want to
upgrade there are things you can do to ease
a fresh install such as creating a “data” partition and symlinking the
Documents/Pictures/Music/etc. folders from your home directory (safer [th]an
keeping a /home partition as that also contains config files)," That behavior
is completely against everything Linux represents. NO USER SHOULD EVER HAVE TO
HAVE FILES STORED OUTSIDE OF THEIR $HOME DIRECTORY. What were they thinking!?
And what the hell are they thinking storing configuration information in
/home!? NO freakin' way!
3. Finally, Ubuntu sucks, as they completely broke the Debian packaging
system by making their .debs incompatible with the upstream versions. Basing a
product on Ubuntu is sad to me. If it had been based on Debian and the
maintainers had maintained the high standards we developed for Debian decades
ago I'd be much more interested.
Thanks again for the suggestion, but I'll have to pass. And I would
recommend others do the same.
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