JK: Okay. Now I want Mike to use "supralapsarian" and "sublapsarian" in a post. Wow! Now there's a challenge. Give me a week. I need the right context. Mike Geary long live Calvin ----- Original Message ----- From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: virtue-practical example of being taught Julie Krueger up too early to be up early ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: virtue-practical example of being taught Date: 1/2/06 1:31:02 AM Central Standard Time From: writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent on: Omigod Mike- Your persiflage and frivolity have forced me to pick up my dictionary at 2:28 a.m. What are you doing up so late, you oxymoron you! Stan up too late to get up early in Portland, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:18 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: virtue-practical example of being taught > RP: > > ...but as there's no guarantee that the (merely) prudent person will ever > > advance to a principle some might see the grasping of one as > > supererogatory,* > > > *Mike Geary challenged me to use this word in a sentence. > > And well done, indeed, yes! But what about 'abstemious'? You haven't used > it yet. Not to mention 'persiflage'. Come, come, Robert, papers were due > two weeks ago. I can cut you some slack considering your load, but I have > to turn in grades on Thursday. I'd love to give you more time, but I'm as > much a cog in the inexorable process of the ineluctable laws of bureaucracy > as you are, and though you may believe in a theodicy that will raise you > above the checklists of pencil pushers -- hey, don't we all believe that? -- > let me remind you that we are not yet living in those eschatological times > when your glory will shine without being plugged into the culture system. > Get busy, in other words. > > Mike Geary > desperately putting off year end pencil pushing > in Memphis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Paul" <robert.paul@xxxxxxxx> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:32 PM > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: virtue-practical example of being taught > > > > John McCreery wrote: > > > >> Re Robert's remark that taking care of others should be more than > >> prudential. Here again, I certainly agree. But isn't it, I wonder, one > >> of the roles of institutions to make doing what's right doing what is > >> prudential as well? Habits born of prudence may ripen into principles. > >> Principles proclaimedâeven skillfully defendedâin classroom settings > >> alone remain where classroom exercises leave them. > > > > Yes, this needs talking about. It may be one of the roles of institutions > > to do this, but as there's no guarantee that the (merely) prudent person > > will ever advance to a principle some might see the grasping of one as > > supererogatory,* as long as the right actions are carried out. > > > > On the other hand, (Western) ethical theory has never recovered from > > Kant's insistence that moral action excludes prudential considerations, so > > that questions like 'Why should I be moral?' have, or seem to have, > > a sense that Plato and Aristotle wouldn't have understood. > > > > Plato thought that justice had to benefit the just person, or else, as > > Thrasymachus says, justice is a fraud. Kant dissolves this problem by > > saying justice not only needn't but shouldn't. I'd like to be able to show > > that it does and must benefit the just person but I'm not smart enough to > > show how it does. ('It makes me feel all warm inside,' isn't a very good > > answer to 'Why should I be just, etc.?] > > > > Robert Paul > > The Reed Institute > > > > *Mike Geary challenged me to use this word in a sentence. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html