[lit-ideas] Re: The beginning of the end in Iraq
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:41:06 -0400
This is paranoid, that Americans would want the U.S. to lose. It's straw
clutching at why we're losing. Obviously it's not because we can't win.
If brute force worked, we'd have won in Vietnam. Johnson wasn't even
slowed down by the protests. It also begs the question of why we don't use
brute force in Iraq if brute force did the job. Probably because we're
nice people, as we demonstrated in Vietnam. And in Dresden. And in all
the pacts we make with African and other dictators. Yeah, we could win
this if we wanted to. We just don't want to, that's all, and the reasons
are: (1) the people want us to lose; (2) the media wants us to lose; (3)
we're nice people... In the meantime, no hearings, no accountability, not
even much interest. Basically, democracy crumbling all around us.
> [Original Message]
> From: Eric Yost <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 10/25/2006 11:13:46 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The beginning of the end in Iraq
>
> >>--people here actually DO seem to want the US to lose
> > > in Iraq.
>
> what does Grange mean by "lose in Iraq"?
>
> _____
>
> Obviously only he can say. My impression of the matter is
> this: some Americans (not necessarily leftists) would love
> to see the American troops defeated militarily through
> attrition, defeated in spirit, and brought home in disgrace
> as in Vietnam. If this were to happen it would validate
> their entire world view.
>
> If there were to be another Vietnam, then the people whose
> entire worldview was shaped by Vietnam would not have to
> accept new developments into their thinking. So I'm talking
> about more than just hating Bush and wanting all of Bush's
> projects to fail: there's a strong current of *alienated
> masochism* here.
>
> Be easy on me in your reply. If I've muddled this post it's
> because I'm tired and have to get on a jet and travel to a
> pleasant country in the morning...though not exactly where
> I'd wish to be in it.
>
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