[lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
- From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:04:49 +0000 (GMT)
by the way, we have gay civil partnerships hereabouts. I think gay marriages
will come soon, meanwhile, very very soon, they will be celebrated in religious
buildings and incorporate religious language, thanks to an amendment proposed
by our first openly gay peer, Baron Alli (Waheed Alli), Muslim.
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Alli has used his political position to argue for gay rights. He spearheaded
the campaign to repeal Section 28.[8] He advocated lowering the age of consent
for homosexuals from 18 to 16, equal to heterosexuals; this eventually became
law as the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000. It was during a heated
exchange with conservative opponents, led by Baroness Young,
that he informed his fellow peers that he was gay. In April 1999, he
said in a speech, "I have never been confused about my sexuality. I have
been confused about the way I am treated as a result of it. The only
confusion lies in the prejudice shown, some of it tonight [i.e. in the
House], and much of it enshrined in the law."[4]
He acted as Tony Blair's representative in the House of Lords in the passage of
the Civil Partnership Act 2004, giving same-sex couples in the United Kingdom
the ability to enter into civil partnerships with equal rights and
responsibilities to civil marriage[citation needed].
In 2009, he spearheaded an effort to repeal clauses in the Civil
Partnerships Act which prohibited religious institutions from hosting
civil partnerships on their premises. This campaign culminated in a
bipartisan amendment, which became part of the Equality Act 2010[9]. He is one
of very few openly gay Muslim figures in public life anywhere in the world,
along with Pav Akhtar, also a Labour politician based in London.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
--- On Fri, 21/1/11, Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January, 2011, 15:48
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I recently finished a book called, "Why I Am Not A Muslim." Among the
things I learned: that people who call the prophet a pedophile do so because he
married a nine year old girl, that he evidently was a bandit who shared the
spoils, and that he was killing Jews or driving them off the land as early as
the seventh century.
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did you buy the book? Wikipedia will tell you about Muhammad's wives,
including, of course, Aisha, as perfectly or imperfectly as it did.
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that he evidently was a bandit who shared the
spoils
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he should have kept the spoils, I guess
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and that he was killing Jews or driving them off the land as early as
the seventh century.
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..gosh, that was early, we waited till the twelfth century....
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Re Eric's comment on stoning, if you haven't seen it, two recommendations:
the Christian method is in a film called "Zorba the Greek." The
Muslim version, in a film made by an Iranian, is called, "The Story of Soraya
M"
Zorba is also a book. I recommend you see the film. Also that
you don't eat before doing so.<<<<<<<<<
*I* recommend you join the campaigns against stonings in Iran -- but would like
you also to campaign against all capital punishment; thank you
(and FGM.)
--- On Fri, 21/1/11, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January, 2011, 14:53
The BBC America had a discussion about this lady and her comments.
The one I liked the best was the man who said that she ought not to have spoken
about anti-Muslim prejudice. Given her position, she ought to have spoken
out about how one of the causes of prejudice against Muslims is their refusal
to
except Western secular values. His contention, familiar to us all, that we
all accept people making fun of, and disrespecting the religion of, anyone
and everyone. Muslims generally won't accept this.
The performer M&M was to perform in Detroit a few years ago.
Because of the vulgarity, the city forbid it. He sued, won and the city
had to pay $300,000 restitution. The reaction of a very moderate
imam of a mosque near Detroit was: the show is shameful, the city out to
have prohibited it and no fine ought to have been levied.
I recently finished a book called, "Why I Am Not A Muslim." Among the
things I learned: that people who call the prophet a pedophile do so because he
married a nine year old girl, that he evidently was a bandit who shared the
spoils, and that he was killing Jews or driving them off the land as early as
the seventh century.
Re Eric's comment on stoning, if you haven't seen it, two recommendations:
the Christian method is in a film called "Zorba the Greek." The
Muslim version, in a film made by an Iranian, is called, "The Story of Soraya
M"
Zorba is also a book. I recommend you see the film. Also that
you don't eat before doing so.
Currently, there is a concern in Western countries that some Muslims are
taking daughters to the home country for circumcision and early marriage.
I have read about this issue being of concern in the U.S. and Canada
Veronica
----- Original Message -----
From:
Judith Evans
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:42
PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice
(Judy?)
I haven't read the speech, I did know about it.
"Baroness Warsi will say anti-Muslim prejudice is now seen by
many Britons as normal and uncontroversial"
I'd say there's a
lot of truth in this, I'd also say Sayeeda Warsi is not likely to
exaggerate the extent and degree of prejudice. Just one
thing
"She told the 2009 Conservative Party conference that
anti-Muslim hatred had become Britain's last socially acceptable form
of
bigotry"
There's another one, anti-gypsy prejudice.
I have
no idea how all this compares with the US
btw sorry distracted by
some terrific breaking news, the Labour Shadow Chancellor's resigned
and
Ed Balls, who should have got the job in the first place, is taking
over. Prepare to see Tory ministers dismembered!!!!
Judy
Evans, Cardiff
--- On Thu, 20/1/11, Julie C
<juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From:
Julie C <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Muslim
Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, 20
January, 2011, 17:09
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12235237 Reactions
anyone? Judy?
Julie
Krueger
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