[lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
- From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:36:26 +0000 (GMT)
>My worries about Mr. Alli
is for his life,
I realised that, but that is not threatened (has not been threatened). His
company names are known, his office's location is known, the House of Lords is
pretty visible, his partner's name is known. He has not been threatened.
--- On Sun, 23/1/11, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sunday, 23 January, 2011, 18:49
Judy: Yes Waheed Alli is i think great.
My worries about Mr. Alli
is for his life, not for his personal happiness or political
success.
Judy:Keith Ellison and Andre Carson -- both D.
OK, now that I know this, what ought I to do with it? I know you are
a political scientist and are expert in English and US political science.
However, I know that it makes no difference to me who they are, but I am
glad that there are at least a handful of Muslims in the Congress, as there are
gays, but otherwise it's useless knowledge.
The reason is that if one writes a letter, calls or used the web to
communicate with them, they will send back a response that they do not deal
with
people out of their district. An exception is if they are thinking of
running for president. Which is why I never looked up their names, though
I knew they were there.
Veronica Caley
Milford, MI
----- Original Message -----
From:
Judith Evans
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 6:08
PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice
(Judy?)
Yes Waheed Alli is i think great.
>>>>>>>
But I worry for him and all like
him.
<<<<<<<
He's doing just fine!
Really. From working class early school leaver to
multimillionaire, high profile, high profile gay Muslim. He isn't
estranged from his, half Muslim, half-Hindu, family. Young gay Muslims
(and non-Muslim South Asian gay men|) do face problems here, certainly,
the Albert Kennedy Trust supports them (as it does all young GLBT
people), and there are support groups, and no doubt the general climate
here helps; but yes it's
rough.
>>>>>>>>>>>
As regards
the details of the various legal measures you cite concerning gays, I
am
truly impressed. And ashamed that we don't have it here.
Reason? Refer to my previous e-mail concerning religions. In
our case it's assorted
Christians.
<<<<<<<<<<
I wasn't
trying to put the US down. Some US states have full gay marriage, it's
just my hunch that we'll have it fairly soon. But certainly
there's more resistance there to full gay rights, our
antidiscrimination
laws are far more inclusive, and
strong.
>>>>>>>>>>
We also have
Muslim legislators in the Congress. I believe there are
two.
<<<<<<<<<<
Keith Ellison
and Andre Carson -- both D. We have 8 Muslim MPs. I don't
know how many Muslims are in the Lords. Sayeeda Warsi may be the only
Muslim in the government now.
Judy Evans,
Cardiff
--- On Fri, 21/1/11, Veronica Caley
<molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From:
Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re:
Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date:
Friday, 21 January, 2011, 21:57
Judy,
I read this e-mail after I responded to the other one you
sent. I think this is interesting and wonderful. I commend
Baron Alli (Waheed Alli), for what he has done. I
wish him a long life. But I worry for him and all like him.
As regards the details of the various legal measures you cite
concerning gays, I am truly impressed. And ashamed that we don't
have it here. Reason? Refer to my previous e-mail
concerning religions. In our case it's assorted
Christians.
We also have Muslim legislators in the Congress. I believe
there are two.
Veronica Caley
----- Original Message -----
From:
Judith
Evans
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011
11:04 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim
Prejudice (Judy?)
by the way, we have gay civil partnerships
hereabouts. I think gay marriages will come soon,
meanwhile, very very soon, they will be celebrated in
religious buildings and incorporate religious language,
thanks
to an amendment proposed by our first openly gay peer, Baron
Alli (Waheed Alli),
Muslim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Alli has used his political position to argue for gay rights.
He spearheaded the campaign to
repeal Section 28.[8] He
advocated lowering the age of consent for homosexuals
from 18 to 16, equal to heterosexuals; this eventually became
law as the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act
2000. It was during a heated exchange with conservative
opponents, led by Baroness Young, that he
informed his fellow peers that he was gay. In April 1999, he
said in a speech, "I have never been confused about my
sexuality. I have been confused about the way I am treated as
a result of it. The only confusion lies in the prejudice
shown, some of it tonight [i.e. in the House], and much of it
enshrined in the law."[4]
He acted as Tony Blair's representative in the House of
Lords in the passage of the Civil Partnership Act 2004,
giving same-sex couples in the United Kingdom the ability to
enter into civil partnerships with equal
rights and responsibilities to civil marriage[citation
needed]. In
2009, he spearheaded an effort to repeal clauses in the Civil
Partnerships Act which prohibited religious institutions from
hosting civil partnerships on their premises. This campaign
culminated in a bipartisan amendment, which became part of
the
Equality Act 2010[9]. He is
one of very few openly gay Muslim figures in public
life anywhere in the world, along with Pav Akhtar, also a
Labour politician based
in London.
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On Fri, 21/1/11, Judith Evans
<judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From:
Judith Evans
<judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject:
[lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To:
lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January, 2011,
15:48
>>>>>>>>>>
I
recently finished a book called, "Why I Am Not A
Muslim." Among the things I learned: that people
who call the prophet a pedophile do so because he
married a nine year old girl, that he evidently was a
bandit who shared the spoils, and that he was killing
Jews or driving them off the land as early as the
seventh
century.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
did
you buy the book? Wikipedia will tell you about
Muhammad's wives, including, of course, Aisha, as
perfectly or imperfectly as it
did.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
that
he evidently was a bandit who shared the
spoils
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
he
should have kept the spoils, I
guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>
and
that he was killing Jews or driving them off the land
as early as the seventh
century.
<<<<<<<<<<<<
..gosh,
that was early, we waited till the twelfth
century....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Re
Eric's comment on stoning, if you haven't seen it,
two
recommendations: the Christian method is in a film
called "Zorba the Greek." The Muslim
version, in a film made by an Iranian, is called,
"The
Story of Soraya M"
Zorba is also a book. I recommend you see
the film. Also that you don't eat before doing
so.<<<<<<<<<
*I*
recommend you join the campaigns against stonings in
Iran -- but would like you also to campaign against
all capital punishment; thank you
(and
FGM.)
--- On Fri,
21/1/11, Veronica Caley
<molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From:
Veronica Caley
<molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas]
Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To:
lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January,
2011, 14:53
The BBC America had a discussion about this
lady and her comments. The one I liked the
best was the man who said that she ought not to
have
spoken about anti-Muslim prejudice. Given her
position, she ought to have spoken out about how
one
of the causes of prejudice against Muslims is their
refusal to except Western secular values. His
contention, familiar to us all, that we
all accept people making fun of, and
disrespecting the religion of, anyone and
everyone. Muslims generally won't accept
this.
The performer M&M was to perform in Detroit
a few years ago. Because of the vulgarity, the
city forbid it. He sued, won and the city had
to pay $300,000 restitution. The reaction of a
very moderate imam of a mosque near Detroit
was: the show is shameful, the city out to have
prohibited it and no fine ought to have been
levied.
I recently finished a book called, "Why I Am
Not A Muslim." Among the things I learned:
that people who call the prophet a pedophile do so
because he married a nine year old girl, that he
evidently was a bandit who shared the spoils, and
that he was killing Jews or driving them off the
land as early as the seventh century.
Re Eric's comment on stoning, if you haven't
seen it, two recommendations: the Christian method
is in a film called "Zorba the Greek."
The Muslim version, in a film made by an Iranian,
is
called, "The Story of Soraya M"
Zorba is also a book. I recommend you see
the film. Also that you don't eat before doing
so.
Currently, there is a concern in Western
countries that some Muslims are taking daughters to
the home country for circumcision and early
marriage. I have read about this issue being
of concern in the U.S. and Canada
Veronica
----- Original
Message -----
From:
Judith Evans
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent:
Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:42 PM
Subject:
[lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
I haven't read the speech, I did
know about it.
"Baroness Warsi will say
anti-Muslim prejudice is now seen by many
Britons as normal and
uncontroversial"
I'd say there's a
lot of truth in this, I'd also say Sayeeda
Warsi
is not likely to exaggerate the extent and
degree of prejudice. Just one thing
"She
told the 2009 Conservative Party conference
that
anti-Muslim hatred had become Britain's last
socially acceptable form of
bigotry"
There's another one, anti-gypsy
prejudice.
I have no idea how all this
compares with the US
btw sorry distracted
by some terrific breaking news, the Labour
Shadow Chancellor's resigned and Ed Balls, who
should have got the job in the first place, is
taking over. Prepare to see Tory ministers
dismembered!!!!
Judy Evans,
Cardiff
--- On Thu, 20/1/11, Julie C
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From:
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Subject:
[lit-ideas] Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To:
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Date: Thursday, 20
January, 2011, 17:09
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