[lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
- From: "Veronica Caley" <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:57:23 -0500
Judy,
I read this e-mail after I responded to the other one you sent. I think this
is interesting and wonderful. I commend
Baron Alli (Waheed Alli), for what he has done. I wish him a long life. But
I worry for him and all like him.
As regards the details of the various legal measures you cite concerning gays,
I am truly impressed. And ashamed that we don't have it here. Reason? Refer
to my previous e-mail concerning religions. In our case it's assorted
Christians.
We also have Muslim legislators in the Congress. I believe there are two.
Veronica Caley
----- Original Message -----
From: Judith Evans
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 11:04 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
by the way, we have gay civil partnerships hereabouts. I think gay
marriages will come soon, meanwhile, very very soon, they will be celebrated in
religious buildings and incorporate religious language, thanks to an amendment
proposed by our first openly gay peer, Baron Alli (Waheed Alli), Muslim.
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Alli has used his political position to argue for gay rights. He
spearheaded the campaign to repeal Section 28.[8] He advocated lowering the age
of consent for homosexuals from 18 to 16, equal to heterosexuals; this
eventually became law as the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000. It was
during a heated exchange with conservative opponents, led by Baroness Young,
that he informed his fellow peers that he was gay. In April 1999, he said in a
speech, "I have never been confused about my sexuality. I have been confused
about the way I am treated as a result of it. The only confusion lies in the
prejudice shown, some of it tonight [i.e. in the House], and much of it
enshrined in the law."[4]
He acted as Tony Blair's representative in the House of Lords in the
passage of the Civil Partnership Act 2004, giving same-sex couples in the
United Kingdom the ability to enter into civil partnerships with equal rights
and responsibilities to civil marriage[citation needed]. In 2009, he
spearheaded an effort to repeal clauses in the Civil Partnerships Act which
prohibited religious institutions from hosting civil partnerships on their
premises. This campaign culminated in a bipartisan amendment, which became part
of the Equality Act 2010[9]. He is one of very few openly gay Muslim figures in
public life anywhere in the world, along with Pav Akhtar, also a Labour
politician based in London.
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--- On Fri, 21/1/11, Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January, 2011, 15:48
>>>>>>>>>>
I recently finished a book called, "Why I Am Not A Muslim."
Among the things I learned: that people who call the prophet a pedophile do so
because he married a nine year old girl, that he evidently was a bandit who
shared the spoils, and that he was killing Jews or driving them off the land as
early as the seventh century.
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did you buy the book? Wikipedia will tell you about Muhammad's
wives, including, of course, Aisha, as perfectly or imperfectly as it did.
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that he evidently was a bandit who shared the spoils
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he should have kept the spoils, I guess
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and that he was killing Jews or driving them off the land as
early as the seventh century.
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..gosh, that was early, we waited till the twelfth century....
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Re Eric's comment on stoning, if you haven't seen it, two
recommendations: the Christian method is in a film called "Zorba the Greek."
The Muslim version, in a film made by an Iranian, is called, "The Story of
Soraya M"
Zorba is also a book. I recommend you see the film. Also that
you don't eat before doing so.
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*I* recommend you join the campaigns against stonings in Iran
-- but would like you also to campaign against all capital punishment; thank you
(and FGM.)
--- On Fri, 21/1/11, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January, 2011, 14:53
The BBC America had a discussion about this lady and her
comments. The one I liked the best was the man who said that she ought not to
have spoken about anti-Muslim prejudice. Given her position, she ought to have
spoken out about how one of the causes of prejudice against Muslims is their
refusal to except Western secular values. His contention, familiar to us all,
that we all accept people making fun of, and disrespecting the religion of,
anyone and everyone. Muslims generally won't accept this.
The performer M&M was to perform in Detroit a few years ago.
Because of the vulgarity, the city forbid it. He sued, won and the city had to
pay $300,000 restitution. The reaction of a very moderate imam of a mosque
near Detroit was: the show is shameful, the city out to have prohibited it and
no fine ought to have been levied.
I recently finished a book called, "Why I Am Not A Muslim."
Among the things I learned: that people who call the prophet a pedophile do so
because he married a nine year old girl, that he evidently was a bandit who
shared the spoils, and that he was killing Jews or driving them off the land as
early as the seventh century.
Re Eric's comment on stoning, if you haven't seen it, two
recommendations: the Christian method is in a film called "Zorba the Greek."
The Muslim version, in a film made by an Iranian, is called, "The Story of
Soraya M"
Zorba is also a book. I recommend you see the film. Also
that you don't eat before doing so.
Currently, there is a concern in Western countries that some
Muslims are taking daughters to the home country for circumcision and early
marriage. I have read about this issue being of concern in the U.S. and Canada
Veronica
----- Original Message -----
From: Judith Evans
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:42 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
I haven't read the speech, I did know about it.
"Baroness Warsi will say anti-Muslim prejudice is now
seen by many Britons as normal and uncontroversial"
I'd say there's a lot of truth in this, I'd also say
Sayeeda Warsi is not likely to exaggerate the extent and degree of prejudice.
Just one thing
"She told the 2009 Conservative Party conference that
anti-Muslim hatred had become Britain's last socially acceptable form of
bigotry"
There's another one, anti-gypsy prejudice.
I have no idea how all this compares with the US
btw sorry distracted by some terrific breaking news,
the Labour Shadow Chancellor's resigned and Ed Balls, who should have got the
job in the first place, is taking over. Prepare to see Tory ministers
dismembered!!!!
Judy Evans, Cardiff
--- On Thu, 20/1/11, Julie C <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
From: Julie C <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, 20 January, 2011, 17:09
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12235237
Reactions anyone? Judy?
Julie Krueger
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