[geocentrism] Re: Earth and science

  • From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:56:27 +1000

During this same period, you would also observe the Earth rotate on its axis 
approximately 29.53 times (29.53 Earth solar days).  Paul.

Yes Paul, and if you were on the space shuttle, you would see the earth rotate 
on its axis once every 100 minutes or so...  but is it true? 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Deema 
  To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 5:19 AM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Earth and science

  Marc V

  I apologise if I appeared to snap at you -- my intention was only to bring 
things back to the academic. I too have trouble with what you believe (about 
how the universe works) but I prefer to believe that the problem is that the 
scientific method has simply not been properly explained to you.

  Concerning the matter of 'physical reasons' why an Earth based observer 
should be believed over a -- for instance -- Mars observer however, I have a 
problem. You don't actually have to be there to determine what you will see. 
From hundreds of years of telescope observations we know where it will be at 
any particular date and which half will be in daylight and which in darkness at 
any given time. We know from similar observations what the axial tilt with 
respect to its orbital plane is and the angle between Mars' orbit and the 
ecliptic. We know at any instant whether the observer in the northern 
hemisphere is looking forward to the Vernal Equinox or the Autumnal Equinox. We 
know which constellation will be at the observer's zenith at midnight. By using 
geometry, it is possible to determine what the sky will look like with 
considerable confidence thus -- should the observer be un-schooled in these 
matters -- it would be easy to understand why he could come to the conclusion 
that Mars is at the centre of the Universe, immovable and with the whole 
universe revolving around him.

  As an exercise, try reading the short description below, think about it -- 
you know, shut your eyes and imagine yourself in the picture so to speak, and 
tell me if you don't see what I'm getting at. For this exercise you don't even 
need a telescope, but functional eyes would definately be an advantage! |[:-)


  If you lived on the Moon, at about its equator and on the zero degree 
longitude meridian, ie, about the centre of the disk visible from Earth, then 
approximately directly overhead, you would see the Earth, more or less fixed in 
one place. In addition, you would see the Sun come up over the eastern horizon 
approximately every 2,551,390 seconds (one luna solar day), and you would see 
the same star come up over the eastern horizon approximately every 2,360,620 
seconds (one lunar sideral day). During the solar day, you would see the earth 
wane once through all phases from a full disk, to gibbous, half, cresent and 
new before waxing through new, cresent and half, to gibbous before arriving 
back at full. During this same period, you would also observe the Earth rotate 
on its axis approximately 29.53 times (29.53 Earth solar days).

  Further more, if you had been born on the Moon, from parents who came from a 
long line of Selenite antecedants, you may well have grown up believing that 
the Moon and the Earth are joined by some invisible rod or bar, and that this 
pair of bodies are stationary in the universe (save for the Earth's rotations) 
while the Sun revolves around the Moon/Earth system every 2,551,390 seconds 
(29.53 Earth solar days) approximately, and the stars revolve around the 
Moon/Earth system every 2,360,620 seconds (27.32 Earth solar days) 
approximately. After all - what you see is what you get - your senses tell you 
this is so and a suitably placed and operated camera will confirm what you see.


  Paul D

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