[geocentrism] Re: Earth and science

  • From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:03:39 +0000 (GMT)

Philip M
From philip madsen Thu Aug 30 22:40:27 2007
Paul, in this medium, it is difficult to explain motion, especially relative 
planetary motions.. However we can simplify the principles involve to explain 
the error in your assumed figures below, which cause you to conclude, 
" Should the GS position be the truth, the chances of a successful rendezvous, 
if the mission is based on HC data, are zilch, zippo, nil." 
Your major error is to neglect to include the aether, which you must admit, 
even if hypothetical, is as valid a consideration as any other hypothetical 
position taken in science, especially as is those applicable to special 
relativity, or any nuclear physics proposition. 
If we interpose a real physical medium called the aether, then we may explain 
your problem quite simply in the following way. 
Consider a swiftly flowing river, in the middle of which is a boat floating 
swiftly past. It would seem an impossibility for our rowboat on the shore to 
ever be able to reach it. 
However, if we time it correctly and put our boat into the relatively slower 
water near the shore and row towards the centre of the river, we will be 
quickly taken up into the swiftly flowing stream, and in no time at all be able 
to row up along side, and board the ship.. 
Now in case you missed the connection, it is the aether being left out of the 
equation which is the cause of all the confusion. For both sides actually. 
Your analogy is interesting but I'm left wondering in which direction you would 
have the rowboat moving relative to the aether at the various stages of the 
rendezvous proceedure.
I have a bigger problem however with the aether itself. Firstly, its existance. 
My understanding is pretty much covered by the following gleaned from 
I am curious as to exactly when scientists found out that space is a vacuum and 
not made up of ether? What year was this and who is credited with the 
Asked by: Nancy Thorgaard 
In 1887, Albert Michelson and Edward Morley conducted an experiment that 
refuted the concept of and ether wind. They compared the speed of light in one 
direction with its speed at right angles to that direction. If light were in 
fact transmitted via an ever present ether, the motion of the Earth through it 
would result in an ether wind which would affect light's speed into and across 
its path. 
The Michelson-Morley experiment detected no difference in the speed of light, 
regardless of direction vs. the hypothesized ether wind. Although several 
attempts were made to explain away the experiment's results, the eventual 
conclusion was that the proposed ether wind must, therefore, not exist. 
(Emphasis added).
Answered by: Paul Walorski, B.A., Part-time Physics/Astronomy Instructor.
Originally, the idea of measuring the speed of Earth through the ether came 
from Maxwell. During correspondence with others, the task fell upon Michelson. 
Michelson had made the most accurate measurement of the speed of light to date. 
But then Michelson proceeded to invent a new instrument with accuracy far 
exceeding that which had been attained to that date, and that instrument is now 
universally called the Michelson interferometer. In trying to measure the speed 
of the Earth through the supposed 'ether', you could depend upon one component 
of that velocity being known - the velocity of the Earth around the sun, about 
30 km/s. Using a wavelength of about 600 nm, there should be a shift of about 
0.04 fringes as the spectrometer was rotated 360°. Though small, this was well 
within Michelson's capability. Michelson, and everyone else, was surprised that 
there was no shift. Michelson's terse description of the experiment: 'The 
interpretation of these
 results is that there is no displacement of the interference bands. ... The 
result of the hypothesis of a stationary ether is thus shown to be incorrect.' 
Lord Rayleigh wrote to Michelson, urging him to repeat the experiment with 
greater accuracy to test these hypotheses. Michelson, with the collaboration of 
E. W. Morley, constructed a new interferometer with multiple mirrors and a path 
length about 10 times longer. This device should have given a fringe shift of 
about 0.4, but they observed less than 0.005 fringe. Although repeated over the 
next 40 years with ever greater precision and the same negative result, this 
1887 experiment is pointed to as one of the experimental foundations of 
relativity, and earned Michelson the Nobel Prize in 1907. 
Answered by: Jason Heidecker, Physics Undergrad, Occidental College, Los 
Second, this aether must travel at different velocities depending on several 
factors - 
o the proximity to Earth;
o the particular planet;
o the point in the orbit at which it is currently situated ie retrograde, 
forward or transitional;
o and whether the planet is at opposition or conjunction (width of the "flower 
In addition to this it has to be synchronous with the Sun and almost 
synchronous with the stars -- all in all a pretty complex phenomenon! How does 
this happen? More importantly -- why?
You must be able to see why I prefer the simpler model with "attached" coherent 
Paul D

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