[geocentrism] Re: Earth and science

  • From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:09:03 +1000

Your analogy is interesting but I'm left wondering in which direction you would 
have the rowboat moving relative to the aether at the various stages of the 
rendezvous proceedure.Paul D

Thats where you miss the point.  , and why the analogy is not the best. The 
aether is unseen, thus you would be in a boat of a river that is not seen, 
hence the rowers would only see their own movements as being their own. This is 
why the heliocentric calculations to meet with Mars work, because the reality 
is hidden. We are back to the two trains passing each other at 50mph. Making 
the connection is relatively the same . whether the trains are actially moving 
themselves, or the tracks are moving and carrying one or both of them along. 

As regards the aether rotating around the earth, our explorer moving out 
towards Pluto would be like Microman on the spindle of a phonograph walking out 
to the edge of the record.  If there were no centrifugal force, [and there 
isn't if one is synchronised with the aether,]  he would think it was a 
straight walk..  all his physical effort would be a straight heliocentric walk, 
but if you know about and prove a rotating medium is doing the work, then the 
reality is quite different..  a neat trick by God, one might say, to confuse 
the unfaithful and proud. 

And quite candidly, that is what God is all about. Sorting the sheep out, from 
those who would know better.... (He loves the sheep)

This quotation must make them livid. especially coming from that dumb old fairy 
tale book. 

26 For see your vocation, brethren, that there are not many wise according to 
the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble. 27 But the foolish things of the 
world hath God chosen, that he may confound the wise: and the weak things of 
the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the strong. 28 And the base 
things of the world and the things that are contemptible, hath God chosen: and 
things that are not, that he might bring to nought things that are: 

29 That no flesh should glory in his sight. [That the achievements of mans 
science will be as nothing,] 

What sort of a man does it take Paul, to see the emmense power and logic in 
those words, especially today as we see before us a world collapsing and being 
destroyed by its own works? 


Interesting ... Confound is found only twice in the NT. and only 4 times in the 
OT specifically on the same theme... Gen 11  Job 19 and  40  Ecc 25. 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Deema 
  To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:03 AM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Earth and science

  Philip M

  From philip madsen Thu Aug 30 22:40:27 2007

  Paul, in this medium, it is difficult to explain motion, especially relative 
planetary motions.. However we can simplify the principles involve to explain 
the error in your assumed figures below, which cause you to conclude, 

  " Should the GS position be the truth, the chances of a successful 
rendezvous, if the mission is based on HC data, are zilch, zippo, nil." 

  Your major error is to neglect to include the aether, which you must admit, 
even if hypothetical, is as valid a consideration as any other hypothetical 
position taken in science, especially as is those applicable to special 
relativity, or any nuclear physics proposition. 

  If we interpose a real physical medium called the aether, then we may explain 
your problem quite simply in the following way. 

  Consider a swiftly flowing river, in the middle of which is a boat floating 
swiftly past. It would seem an impossibility for our rowboat on the shore to 
ever be able to reach it. 

  However, if we time it correctly and put our boat into the relatively slower 
water near the shore and row towards the centre of the river, we will be 
quickly taken up into the swiftly flowing stream, and in no time at all be able 
to row up along side, and board the ship.. 

  Now in case you missed the connection, it is the aether being left out of the 
equation which is the cause of all the confusion. For both sides actually. 


  Your analogy is interesting but I'm left wondering in which direction you 
would have the rowboat moving relative to the aether at the various stages of 
the rendezvous proceedure.

  I have a bigger problem however with the aether itself. Firstly, its 
existance. My understanding is pretty much covered by the following gleaned 
from http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae489.cfm

  I am curious as to exactly when scientists found out that space is a vacuum 
and not made up of ether? What year was this and who is credited with the 
  Asked by: Nancy Thorgaard 
  In 1887, Albert Michelson and Edward Morley conducted an experiment that 
refuted the concept of and ether wind. They compared the speed of light in one 
direction with its speed at right angles to that direction. If light were in 
fact transmitted via an ever present ether, the motion of the Earth through it 
would result in an ether wind which would affect light's speed into and across 
its path. 

  The Michelson-Morley experiment detected no difference in the speed of light, 
regardless of direction vs. the hypothesized ether wind. Although several 
attempts were made to explain away the experiment's results, the eventual 
conclusion was that the proposed ether wind must, therefore, not exist. 
(Emphasis added).
  Answered by: Paul Walorski, B.A., Part-time Physics/Astronomy Instructor.
  Originally, the idea of measuring the speed of Earth through the ether came 
from Maxwell. During correspondence with others, the task fell upon Michelson. 
Michelson had made the most accurate measurement of the speed of light to date. 
But then Michelson proceeded to invent a new instrument with accuracy far 
exceeding that which had been attained to that date, and that instrument is now 
universally called the Michelson interferometer. In trying to measure the speed 
of the Earth through the supposed 'ether', you could depend upon one component 
of that velocity being known - the velocity of the Earth around the sun, about 
30 km/s. Using a wavelength of about 600 nm, there should be a shift of about 
0.04 fringes as the spectrometer was rotated 360°. Though small, this was well 
within Michelson's capability. Michelson, and everyone else, was surprised that 
there was no shift. Michelson's terse description of the experiment: 'The 
interpretation of these results is that there is no displacement of the 
interference bands. ... The result of the hypothesis of a stationary ether is 
thus shown to be incorrect.' 

  Lord Rayleigh wrote to Michelson, urging him to repeat the experiment with 
greater accuracy to test these hypotheses. Michelson, with the collaboration of 
E. W. Morley, constructed a new interferometer with multiple mirrors and a path 
length about 10 times longer. This device should have given a fringe shift of 
about 0.4, but they observed less than 0.005 fringe. Although repeated over the 
next 40 years with ever greater precision and the same negative result, this 
1887 experiment is pointed to as one of the experimental foundations of 
relativity, and earned Michelson the Nobel Prize in 1907. 

  Answered by: Jason Heidecker, Physics Undergrad, Occidental College, Los 

  Second, this aether must travel at different velocities depending on several 
factors - 

  o the proximity to Earth;

  o the particular planet;

  o the point in the orbit at which it is currently situated ie retrograde, 
forward or transitional;

  o and whether the planet is at opposition or conjunction (width of the 
"flower petals").

  In addition to this it has to be synchronous with the Sun and almost 
synchronous with the stars -- all in all a pretty complex phenomenon! How does 
this happen? More importantly -- why?

  You must be able to see why I prefer the simpler model with "attached" 
coherent theory.

  Paul D

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