Dear Neville, Just out of interest is it possible to to view the geocentric cosmos program from the planets? I would suggest that the mathematics would only show the 'flower pattern' from the Earth's frame of reference but none of the planets. Perhaps a lopsided pattern may be seen. I believe this was possible with one of your earlier interactive models. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: Neville Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Climate change From: mselbrede@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:20:38 -0500 It's not been made rigorous that the "flower pattern discovery" does or does not constitute that counter-proof (you'd have to test for such patterns from the surface of Mars to see what's what). I think there are weightier approaches to establishing the Earth's uniqueness. ... However, I need to reiterate that the Flower Pattern is, "in turn, based upon a mathematical modelling program that correctly predicts the movements of the planets." In the absence of ways to set up the experiments that have been suggested on the surface of Mars, I maintain that the methods you advocate can not be "established," neither by us nor by our offspring. Neville.