[gameprogrammer] Re: game engine?
- From: "Evan Stone" <recombinantstudios@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:22:16 -0800
whoa whoa whoa.... can't we just get along? ;)
Just to clarify a bit here, the Quake 3 *engine* has not been OpenSourced
(yet, as someone pointed out earlier, but will hopefully be in the near-ish
future), but Q1 & Q2 have.
The Quake 3 *SDK* is OpenSource, but does not allow you to actually modify
the engine itself (the same goes for Half-Life 1 & 2).
That said, you still get a hefty chunk of fun out of modding - and you sure
can learn a lot about how those systems work under the hood. That's how I
got bitten by the game programming bug - from working on the Dark Forces Mod
for Jedi Outcast/Academy (both are Q3-based games).
Since the entire Q2 engine has been OpenSourced, that might be a good place
to start.
HTH.
evan stone | recombinant
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independent game developer
petaluma, ca, usa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Briggs" <jacob_briggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:54 PM
Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: game engine?
> Yeah it was. It was misleading enough to mislead me. I mearly pointed
> out that the games you mentioned are not open source (in the more
> general sense of the term "open source", rather than the GPL sense), and
> gave examples of games that have had their source opened.
>
> Ben Kucenski wrote:
>
> >It wasn't misleading.
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jacob Briggs" <jacob_briggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 3:52 PM
> >Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: game engine?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Ben Kucenski wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Yes it does. Considering you're resorting to symantics, I'm guessing
> >>>
> >>>
> >you're
> >
> >
> >>>done.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Resorting to semantics ?? Semantics are the most important thing in a
> >>form of communication which is _text_ based. You cant make a misleading
> >>statement, then say "I wouldve been right if it wasnt for those pesky
> >>semantics. Semantics dont matter, therefor i was right".
> >>
> >>google for "define:semantics".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Jacob Briggs" <jacob_briggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>To: <gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:29 PM
> >>>Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: game engine?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>This
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Quake 3, Half-Life, and other major games have had their source code
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>opened
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>for a long time
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>does not translate to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>The entire Quake 3 source will be released eventually
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>or
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>The Half-Life SDK has been out for a long time and includes a lot of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>source code from the game.
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> >>>>
> >>>>
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>>>>http://sourcecode.icarusindie.com:2004/index.php?sortby=title&dir=source
c
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >ode%2Fhalf-life+sdk%2F
> >
> >
> >>>>>The Half-Life SDK has been out for a long time and includes a lot of
> >>>>>source
> >>>>>code from the game. The Half-Life 2 SDK is also out now. It's not
the
> >>>>>entire source but it's enough to complete the assignment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Same with Quake 3 as I linked to here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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>>>>http://sourcecode.icarusindie.com:2004/index.php?sortby=title&dir=source
c
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >ode%2FQuake+3%2F
> >
> >
> >>>>>There are mods for Quake3 which do toonshading and other display
> >>>>>modifications.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>http://www.adinfo.qc.ca/alex/toonshading.php
> >>>>>
> >>>>>If you want to argue I suggest visiting posted links first. The
entire
> >>>>>Quake 3 source will be released eventually. Id is giving companies
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >more
> >
> >
> >>>>>time to recoup licensing costs before GPLing it. There's certainly
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >enough
> >
> >
> >>>>>available now to complete the assignment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ben Kucenski
> >>>>>www.icarusindie.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>From: "Jacob Briggs" <jacob_briggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>To: <gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:11 PM
> >>>>>Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: game engine?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>Quake 3, Half-Life, and other major games have had their source
code
> >>>>>>>opened
> >>>>>>>for a long time
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>No, they dont. id has released quake1 and quake2, the doom's etc...
> >>>>>>(well, not doom3). Valve has released nothing.
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