[duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed rite

  • From: "John Sanders" <starmy22@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:27:46 -0500

Hi, ok well, I'll e-mail web braille and see what they tell me.
Sincerely,
John Sanders

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:20 PM
Subject: [duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed rite


> In my previous message, I gave you the keystrokes that would get you
> to the "Formatted Braille Importer..." by the shortest possible route.
> Try the following:
>
> 1.  Open DBT.
>
> 2.  Press the key combination <ALT+G> to open the "global" Menu.
> or
> press the <ALT> key to go to the "menu Bar", then press the letter <G>
> key to go to the "Global" menu.  Your screen reader should say
> "Global" which is the name of the menu.  Your screen reader should
> then say "Embosser Setup... CTRL-f11" which is the first option in the
> "Global" menu.
>
> 3.  Press the <DOWN ARROW> key until you hear your screen reader say
> "Formatted Braille Importer...".
>
> 4.  Press the <ENTER> key to open this sub-menu.
>
> 5.  Press the <TAB> key to go through all of the choices in the menu.
>
> 6.  If you hear your screen reader say "Read formatted braille without
> interpretation" and your screen reader tells you that the check box is
> unchecked, press the <SPACE BAR> to check it.
>
> 7.  If your screen reader does not tell you that there is such an
> option, then that option does not exist in the version of DBT that you
> are using.
>
> 8.  If the option does not exist, you can accept DBT's defaults for
> the importation of a .BRF file or, you will have to manually set the
> place where page numbers are to be placed on the page, characters per
> line and number of lines per page, yourself.
>
> 9.  It is very important that you know how many characters there are
> >> per line and how many lines there are on each page.  E-mail the
> >> organization that runs the web site and ask them for the values they
> >> set for their publications that are downloadable from their web site
> >> then, make the necessary changes in the "Global: Embosser Setup..."
> >> menu.
>
> 10.  When you have imported the file, you can then press the <CTRL+T>
> key combination to back transcribe the file to a print format and your
> screen reader will hopefully be able to read the text to you.
>
> I hope that the above information helps you further.
>
> Sincerely:
>
> Dave Durber
>
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:11:08 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Hi, I forgot to also tell you, that I'm runing dux bury braille translator 
> >version 10. And, I can't find the
> >check box you are talking about.
> >How should I go about finding that check box?
> >Sincerely,
> >John Sanders
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:00 PM
> >Subject: [duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed rite
> >
> >
> >> OK!  Now we have sorted that out, we can get down to business.
> >>
> >> Assuming that you still have the original file, that you downloaded
> >> from the web site and, also assuming that you haven't made any chages
> >> to the file and saved those changes, do the following:
> >>
> >> 1.  Open DBT.
> >>
> >> 2.  Press <ALT+G> to open the "Global setup menu".
> >>
> >> 3.  Press the letter <B> key to open the "Formatted Braille
> >> Importer...".
> >>
> >> 4.  Press <SHIFT+TAB> once to go back to "Read formatted braille
> >> without interpretation".  By default, this check box is unchecked.
> >> Press the <SPACE BAR> to check it.
> >>
> >> 5.  Press the <ENTER> key to save this setting and exit the menu.
> >>
> >> 6.  It is very important that you know how many characters there are
> >> per line and how many lines there are on each page.  E-mail the
> >> organization that runs the web site and ask them for the values they
> >> set for their publications that are downloadable from their web site
> >> then, make the necessary changes in the "Global: Embosser Setup..."
> >> menu.
> >>
> >> 7.  Open the file, making sure that import filter is "Formatted
> >> Braille".
> >>
> >> I hope that the above information will be of help to you.
> >>
> >> Sincerely:
> >>
> >> Dave Durber
> >>
> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:47:29 -0500, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi, yes that's what I'm trying to do is bring in the .brf file as a print 
> >> >file.
> >> >Sincerely,
> >> >John Sanders
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:18 PM
> >> >Subject: [duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed rite
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Before you do that, I have a question, are you trying to import the
> >> >> file into DBT as a print file?
> >> >>
> >> >> If this is the case, trying to back-transcribe the file will result in
> >> >> DBT performing a second transcription of the file into braille.
> >> >>
> >> >> When importing a .BRF file into DBT, you must use the braille file
> >> >> importer.  The settings for the braille file importer can be found
> >> >> under the "Global Settings" menu by pressing <ALT+G>.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:46:05 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Hi, when I try to translate it in to text format, jaws still reads my 
> >> >> >file as if it were still in
> >braille.
> >> >> >I'll e-mail dux bury technical support.
> >> >> >Sincerely,
> >> >> >John Sanders
> >> >> >
> >> >> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> >From: "Steve Dresser" <s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:24 PM
> >> >> >Subject: [duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed rite
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> John,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The fact that the file is a .BRF file is probably the most important 
> >> >> >> piece
> >> >> >> of the puzzle.  No screen reader will ever read that kind of file 
> >> >> >> correctly
> >> >> >> because screen readers are designed to read text, and that file is 
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> result of translating text into braille.  Whenever you run into a 
> >> >> >> problem
> >> >> >> like this, it's a good idea to tell us what kind of file you're 
> >> >> >> trying to
> >> >> >> read.  Had you mentioned that at the outset, you'd have gotten the 
> >> >> >> answer
> >> >> >> quite a bit sooner.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Steve
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Tuesday 3/23/04 15:04 John Sanders wrote:
> >> >> >> >Hi, a couple of other things I forgot to tell you.  The file is in 
> >> >> >> >a .brf
> >> >> >> >format. I also got the file off of
> >> >> >> >the web braille service.
> >> >> >> >Does that help you any?
> >> >> >> >Sincerely,
> >> >> >> >John Sanders
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> >From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> >To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:30 AM
> >> >> >> >Subject: [duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed 
> >> >> >> >rite
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > If you have already tried the suggestions that have been made by 
> >> >> >> > > other
> >> >> >> > > listers, then in my opinion, I have 1 more idea to throw into 
> >> >> >> > > the pot
> >> >> >> > > as to why your screen reader is not reading the file correctly.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > When files are created in word processors such as Word, 
> >> >> >> > > WordPerfect
> >> >> >> > > and DBT, they are created in 2 different ways.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > One way is to type headings, paragraphs, outlines and lists 
> >> >> >> > > etc., and
> >> >> >> > > pressing <ENTER> twice to separate one block of text from 
> >> >> >> > > another.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > The other way is to type headings, paragraphs, outlines and lists
> >> >> >> > > etc., with the use of styles.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > When using a style, such as a paragraph style, in Word or 
> >> >> >> > > WordPerfect,
> >> >> >> > > you can have it insert a blank space between each paragraph 
> >> >> >> > > measuring
> >> >> >> > > the distance equal to that of a blank line.  Because styles can 
> >> >> >> > > be
> >> >> >> > > programmed to do this, you only need to press the <ENTER> key 
> >> >> >> > > once to
> >> >> >> > > separate each paragraph and not twice.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > The problem arises when the file is save to a .TXT file format.  
> >> >> >> > > When
> >> >> >> > > styles are used, only 1 hard return is placed at the point where 
> >> >> >> > > the
> >> >> >> > > <ENTER> key is pressed and not 2.  The programmers of these word
> >> >> >> > > processors have not been intelligent enough to work out that, if 
> >> >> >> > > a
> >> >> >> > > style has been set to force such a space between units of text, 
> >> >> >> > > then
> >> >> >> > > that feature of the style should be replaced with a second hard
> >> >> >> > > return.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Now the problem is compounded when the saved .TXT file is 
> >> >> >> > > imported
> >> >> >> > > into another word processor, such as DBT.  In many cases, most, 
> >> >> >> > > if not
> >> >> >> > > all of the hard returns are stripped away and they are replaced 
> >> >> >> > > with
> >> >> >> > > the space character.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Like me, if you have come across this situation and you have 
> >> >> >> > > imported
> >> >> >> > > a file into a word processor and it appears as if it is one huge 
> >> >> >> > > block
> >> >> >> > > of text, there is no fast fix solution to solve this problem.  
> >> >> >> > > Like a
> >> >> >> > > bad storm, you have to grit your teeth and go through the file 
> >> >> >> > > and
> >> >> >> > > format the file as you go along.  As far as I know, that is the 
> >> >> >> > > only
> >> >> >> > > way.  I'm sorry about that.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Sincerely:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Dave Durber
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:23:17 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > >BlankHi, when I open up a .txt file in to duxbury, it doesn't 
> >> >> >> > > >display
> >> >> >> > rite. In other words, my screen reader
> >> >> >> >isn't reading it rite. How should I go about fixing it?
> >> >> >> > > >Sincerely,
> >> >> >> > > >John Sanders
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
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