[duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed rite

  • From: Dave Durber <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:00:47 -0500

OK!  Now we have sorted that out, we can get down to business.

Assuming that you still have the original file, that you downloaded
from the web site and, also assuming that you haven't made any chages
to the file and saved those changes, do the following:

1.  Open DBT.

2.  Press <ALT+G> to open the "Global setup menu".

3.  Press the letter <B> key to open the "Formatted Braille
Importer...".

4.  Press <SHIFT+TAB> once to go back to "Read formatted braille
without interpretation".  By default, this check box is unchecked.
Press the <SPACE BAR> to check it.

5.  Press the <ENTER> key to save this setting and exit the menu.

6.  It is very important that you know how many characters there are
per line and how many lines there are on each page.  E-mail the
organization that runs the web site and ask them for the values they
set for their publications that are downloadable from their web site
then, make the necessary changes in the "Global: Embosser Setup..."
menu.

7.  Open the file, making sure that import filter is "Formatted
Braille".

I hope that the above information will be of help to you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:47:29 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi, yes that's what I'm trying to do is bring in the .brf file as a print file.
>Sincerely,
>John Sanders
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:18 PM
>Subject: [duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed rite
>
>
>> Before you do that, I have a question, are you trying to import the
>> file into DBT as a print file?
>> 
>> If this is the case, trying to back-transcribe the file will result in
>> DBT performing a second transcription of the file into braille.
>> 
>> When importing a .BRF file into DBT, you must use the braille file
>> importer.  The settings for the braille file importer can be found
>> under the "Global Settings" menu by pressing <ALT+G>.
>> 
>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:46:05 -0500, you wrote:
>> 
>> >Hi, when I try to translate it in to text format, jaws still reads my file 
>> >as if it were still in braille.
>> >I'll e-mail dux bury technical support.
>> >Sincerely,
>> >John Sanders
>> >
>> >----- Original Message ----- 
>> >From: "Steve Dresser" <s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:24 PM
>> >Subject: [duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed rite
>> >
>> >
>> >> John,
>> >> 
>> >> The fact that the file is a .BRF file is probably the most important 
>> >> piece 
>> >> of the puzzle.  No screen reader will ever read that kind of file 
>> >> correctly 
>> >> because screen readers are designed to read text, and that file is the 
>> >> result of translating text into braille.  Whenever you run into a problem 
>> >> like this, it's a good idea to tell us what kind of file you're trying to 
>> >> read.  Had you mentioned that at the outset, you'd have gotten the answer 
>> >> quite a bit sooner.
>> >> 
>> >> Steve
>> >> 
>> >> On Tuesday 3/23/04 15:04 John Sanders wrote:
>> >> >Hi, a couple of other things I forgot to tell you.  The file is in a 
>> >> >.brf 
>> >> >format. I also got the file off of
>> >> >the web braille service.
>> >> >Does that help you any?
>> >> >Sincerely,
>> >> >John Sanders
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:30 AM
>> >> >Subject: [duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed rite
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > If you have already tried the suggestions that have been made by other
>> >> > > listers, then in my opinion, I have 1 more idea to throw into the pot
>> >> > > as to why your screen reader is not reading the file correctly.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > When files are created in word processors such as Word, WordPerfect
>> >> > > and DBT, they are created in 2 different ways.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > One way is to type headings, paragraphs, outlines and lists etc., and
>> >> > > pressing <ENTER> twice to separate one block of text from another.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The other way is to type headings, paragraphs, outlines and lists
>> >> > > etc., with the use of styles.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > When using a style, such as a paragraph style, in Word or WordPerfect,
>> >> > > you can have it insert a blank space between each paragraph measuring
>> >> > > the distance equal to that of a blank line.  Because styles can be
>> >> > > programmed to do this, you only need to press the <ENTER> key once to
>> >> > > separate each paragraph and not twice.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The problem arises when the file is save to a .TXT file format.  When
>> >> > > styles are used, only 1 hard return is placed at the point where the
>> >> > > <ENTER> key is pressed and not 2.  The programmers of these word
>> >> > > processors have not been intelligent enough to work out that, if a
>> >> > > style has been set to force such a space between units of text, then
>> >> > > that feature of the style should be replaced with a second hard
>> >> > > return.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Now the problem is compounded when the saved .TXT file is imported
>> >> > > into another word processor, such as DBT.  In many cases, most, if not
>> >> > > all of the hard returns are stripped away and they are replaced with
>> >> > > the space character.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Like me, if you have come across this situation and you have imported
>> >> > > a file into a word processor and it appears as if it is one huge block
>> >> > > of text, there is no fast fix solution to solve this problem.  Like a
>> >> > > bad storm, you have to grit your teeth and go through the file and
>> >> > > format the file as you go along.  As far as I know, that is the only
>> >> > > way.  I'm sorry about that.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Sincerely:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Dave Durber
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:23:17 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >BlankHi, when I open up a .txt file in to duxbury, it doesn't 
>> >> > > >display 
>> >> > rite. In other words, my screen reader
>> >> >isn't reading it rite. How should I go about fixing it?
>> >> > > >Sincerely,
>> >> > > >John Sanders
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
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