[duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed rite

From: Dave Durber <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:20:19 -0500
In my previous message, I gave you the keystrokes that would get you
to the "Formatted Braille Importer..." by the shortest possible route.
Try the following:

1.  Open DBT.

2.  Press the key combination <ALT+G> to open the "global" Menu.
or
press the <ALT> key to go to the "menu Bar", then press the letter <G>
key to go to the "Global" menu.  Your screen reader should say
"Global" which is the name of the menu.  Your screen reader should
then say "Embosser Setup... CTRL-f11" which is the first option in the
"Global" menu.

3.  Press the <DOWN ARROW> key until you hear your screen reader say
"Formatted Braille Importer...".

4.  Press the <ENTER> key to open this sub-menu.

5.  Press the <TAB> key to go through all of the choices in the menu.

6.  If you hear your screen reader say "Read formatted braille without
interpretation" and your screen reader tells you that the check box is
unchecked, press the <SPACE BAR> to check it.

7.  If your screen reader does not tell you that there is such an
option, then that option does not exist in the version of DBT that you
are using.

8.  If the option does not exist, you can accept DBT's defaults for
the importation of a .BRF file or, you will have to manually set the
place where page numbers are to be placed on the page, characters per
line and number of lines per page, yourself.

9.  It is very important that you know how many characters there are
>> per line and how many lines there are on each page.  E-mail the
>> organization that runs the web site and ask them for the values they
>> set for their publications that are downloadable from their web site
>> then, make the necessary changes in the "Global: Embosser Setup..."
>> menu.

10.  When you have imported the file, you can then press the <CTRL+T>
key combination to back transcribe the file to a print format and your
screen reader will hopefully be able to read the text to you.

I hope that the above information helps you further.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:11:08 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi, I forgot to also tell you, that I'm runing dux bury braille translator 
>version 10. And, I can't find the
>check box you are talking about.
>How should I go about finding that check box?
>Sincerely,
>John Sanders
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:00 PM
>Subject: [duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed rite
>
>
>> OK!  Now we have sorted that out, we can get down to business.
>>
>> Assuming that you still have the original file, that you downloaded
>> from the web site and, also assuming that you haven't made any chages
>> to the file and saved those changes, do the following:
>>
>> 1.  Open DBT.
>>
>> 2.  Press <ALT+G> to open the "Global setup menu".
>>
>> 3.  Press the letter <B> key to open the "Formatted Braille
>> Importer...".
>>
>> 4.  Press <SHIFT+TAB> once to go back to "Read formatted braille
>> without interpretation".  By default, this check box is unchecked.
>> Press the <SPACE BAR> to check it.
>>
>> 5.  Press the <ENTER> key to save this setting and exit the menu.
>>
>> 6.  It is very important that you know how many characters there are
>> per line and how many lines there are on each page.  E-mail the
>> organization that runs the web site and ask them for the values they
>> set for their publications that are downloadable from their web site
>> then, make the necessary changes in the "Global: Embosser Setup..."
>> menu.
>>
>> 7.  Open the file, making sure that import filter is "Formatted
>> Braille".
>>
>> I hope that the above information will be of help to you.
>>
>> Sincerely:
>>
>> Dave Durber
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:47:29 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> >Hi, yes that's what I'm trying to do is bring in the .brf file as a print 
>> >file.
>> >Sincerely,
>> >John Sanders
>> >
>> >----- Original Message ----- 
>> >From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:18 PM
>> >Subject: [duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed rite
>> >
>> >
>> >> Before you do that, I have a question, are you trying to import the
>> >> file into DBT as a print file?
>> >>
>> >> If this is the case, trying to back-transcribe the file will result in
>> >> DBT performing a second transcription of the file into braille.
>> >>
>> >> When importing a .BRF file into DBT, you must use the braille file
>> >> importer.  The settings for the braille file importer can be found
>> >> under the "Global Settings" menu by pressing <ALT+G>.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:46:05 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi, when I try to translate it in to text format, jaws still reads my 
>> >> >file as if it were still in
>braille.
>> >> >I'll e-mail dux bury technical support.
>> >> >Sincerely,
>> >> >John Sanders
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >From: "Steve Dresser" <s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:24 PM
>> >> >Subject: [duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed rite
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> John,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The fact that the file is a .BRF file is probably the most important 
>> >> >> piece
>> >> >> of the puzzle.  No screen reader will ever read that kind of file 
>> >> >> correctly
>> >> >> because screen readers are designed to read text, and that file is the
>> >> >> result of translating text into braille.  Whenever you run into a 
>> >> >> problem
>> >> >> like this, it's a good idea to tell us what kind of file you're trying 
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> read.  Had you mentioned that at the outset, you'd have gotten the 
>> >> >> answer
>> >> >> quite a bit sooner.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steve
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tuesday 3/23/04 15:04 John Sanders wrote:
>> >> >> >Hi, a couple of other things I forgot to tell you.  The file is in a 
>> >> >> >.brf
>> >> >> >format. I also got the file off of
>> >> >> >the web braille service.
>> >> >> >Does that help you any?
>> >> >> >Sincerely,
>> >> >> >John Sanders
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:30 AM
>> >> >> >Subject: [duxuser] Re: duxuser opens file but, not being displayed 
>> >> >> >rite
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > If you have already tried the suggestions that have been made by 
>> >> >> > > other
>> >> >> > > listers, then in my opinion, I have 1 more idea to throw into the 
>> >> >> > > pot
>> >> >> > > as to why your screen reader is not reading the file correctly.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > When files are created in word processors such as Word, WordPerfect
>> >> >> > > and DBT, they are created in 2 different ways.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > One way is to type headings, paragraphs, outlines and lists etc., 
>> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> > > pressing <ENTER> twice to separate one block of text from another.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > The other way is to type headings, paragraphs, outlines and lists
>> >> >> > > etc., with the use of styles.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > When using a style, such as a paragraph style, in Word or 
>> >> >> > > WordPerfect,
>> >> >> > > you can have it insert a blank space between each paragraph 
>> >> >> > > measuring
>> >> >> > > the distance equal to that of a blank line.  Because styles can be
>> >> >> > > programmed to do this, you only need to press the <ENTER> key once 
>> >> >> > > to
>> >> >> > > separate each paragraph and not twice.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > The problem arises when the file is save to a .TXT file format.  
>> >> >> > > When
>> >> >> > > styles are used, only 1 hard return is placed at the point where 
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > <ENTER> key is pressed and not 2.  The programmers of these word
>> >> >> > > processors have not been intelligent enough to work out that, if a
>> >> >> > > style has been set to force such a space between units of text, 
>> >> >> > > then
>> >> >> > > that feature of the style should be replaced with a second hard
>> >> >> > > return.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Now the problem is compounded when the saved .TXT file is imported
>> >> >> > > into another word processor, such as DBT.  In many cases, most, if 
>> >> >> > > not
>> >> >> > > all of the hard returns are stripped away and they are replaced 
>> >> >> > > with
>> >> >> > > the space character.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Like me, if you have come across this situation and you have 
>> >> >> > > imported
>> >> >> > > a file into a word processor and it appears as if it is one huge 
>> >> >> > > block
>> >> >> > > of text, there is no fast fix solution to solve this problem.  
>> >> >> > > Like a
>> >> >> > > bad storm, you have to grit your teeth and go through the file and
>> >> >> > > format the file as you go along.  As far as I know, that is the 
>> >> >> > > only
>> >> >> > > way.  I'm sorry about that.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Sincerely:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Dave Durber
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:23:17 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >BlankHi, when I open up a .txt file in to duxbury, it doesn't 
>> >> >> > > >display
>> >> >> > rite. In other words, my screen reader
>> >> >> >isn't reading it rite. How should I go about fixing it?
>> >> >> > > >Sincerely,
>> >> >> > > >John Sanders
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
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