[ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 and Sonar producer 8.5 with CakeTalk 8.8

  • From: "Steve S" <stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 21:09:25 -0000

Efren, oh I know there are Jaws users who are using Reaper, but some are only now moving over to it. Previously, from my experience, the majority were NVDA users or users who don't have a valid Jaws, hence the reason why any HSC support was pointless. Best steve.

-----Original Message----- From: Efren Chavez
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 7:42 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 and Sonar producer 8.5 with CakeTalk 8.8

Steve,
Not sure if REAPER is a complete dead end for us jaws users because
asara appears to work well with JAWS on my end. I'm currently not an
advance user of REAPER yet, but when I become more proficient with it
I can compare with NVDA use. When using the DG key map for simple
tasks like arming tracks or muting, I get the same results as with
NVDA. I have not connected HSC yet either, but will do so soon.




On 10/27/15, Chris Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Steve, those are valid points for sure.

At 06:13 PM 10/26/2015, you wrote:

The majority of Reaper users, seem to use it because of its low cost and
you’re able to use NVDA. So, unless the sets are free, I’d be very
surprised if there isn’t a lot of balking going on lol. I got lots of
requests to make sets available in Reaper, but only ever 1 person who
shelled out, hence why I don’t support Reaper anymore. Good luck, best
Steve.

From: Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 3:56 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 and Sonar producer 8.5 with CakeTalk 8.8

Ok will do.
Question: in case anyone I ask has no idea how involved the sets are, how
many spots/spot rings are involved? About how many hours did it take to
create them?
I always want to know that stuff in case anybody balks at the price.
(grin)

At 11:30 AM 10/26/2015, you wrote:

Recoding the sets for Reaper is as simple as changing the Window title
name and application name referenced in the sets. Can do a find and
replace all for that :-) As for interest in Reaper and Jaws HSC sets,
sure ask the Reaper folks. Would be interesting to get some numbers :-)
Personally planning to keep Sonar 8.5.3 installed even if I start to dig
into Reaper as Sonar has some great plug-ins. Hmm, could recode all Sonar
HSC sets so that they also work in Reaper. It would be nice to be able to
use the Sonitus EQ and Compressor in Reaper as I have a ton of
personalised presets that I use here for both of those plug-ins.

On 26 October 2015 15:18:36 GMT+00:00, Chris Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Haha I just asked this very question. Please ignore that post. Glad to
hear it's not that much work to repurpose the sets. Count me in as very
very interested, especially since I'll be buying your sets as soon as I
get paid for the current mixing job.
Want me to ask the Reaper folks how many are using Jaws, to gauge the
level of interest?

At 11:12 AM 10/26/2015, you wrote:

Yes the HSC sets for Superior Drummer 2 are Sonar based. Having said
that, it would be really simple to recode them to work in Reaper.
Haven't had any requests for that yet though.
On 26 October 2015 14:47:47 GMT+00:00, Florian Beijers
<florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I tend to mainly still use Sonar due to the scripts our dear


Steve has



made :) As well as other HSC sets and scripts that depend on Sonar


to



work. No matter how you turn the wheel, it's still true that


currently



if you want to use virtual instruments like the orange tree samples



stuff you're pretty much stuck with Sonar. I'm guessing the stuff


Phil



did for Superior is also Sonar-based. Kontakt is also best supported



in SOnar, although some autoHotkey scripts exist that work with I



believe the standalone version as well. I'd love to use Reaper full



time, but I'd lose too many of my preferred tools. As for what theme



to use in win10, I guess either the standard or high-contrast theme



would be best. My preference would go for standard because thats


what



comes by default, but I have no idea how suitable that theme is for



color detection.




Florian





2015-10-26 15:14 GMT+01:00,



Chris



Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx>:

perhaps a crowd-funding campaign? People were able to more than fund
development of NVDA Remote recently, raising some ten grand or so.
At 12:24 AM 10/26/2015, you wrote:


Don't think anyone can summarize that better than what you just did.
Thanks for that.
I should clarify my statement about it being a total Microsoft issue.
What
I mean is that since the OS has to change to accommodate things like
tablets and the like, it seems that there's this constant burden that
third-party developers have to scramble to make their products work
under
the new OS; which is fine, as long as there's some sort of mechanism in
place t
hat can
help them do just that. Not everybody has the massive
resources that Microsoft and Apple have to do it; consequently they're
constantly behind in having to catch up with the latest and greatest. It
takes a lot of money and resources paying programmers decent wages, etc.
I don't know what a fair and viable solution is; and though I understand
the need to keep up with the technology, I agree with you that right now
we have a system in place that works quite well, and it's pretty darn
stable.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: D!J!X!
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 22:28
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 and Sonar producer 8.5 with CakeTalk
8.8
Microsoft is not at fault here; honestly in order to make most of the UI
improvements they have, they had to ditch the old engine and start with
a
new one, especially
for
using apps. Just like what they had to do with the
start menu, taskbar, notification/tray, menu bars which are mostly
ribbons
now, and many other core windows functions. Anyone who’s
tried windows
8 and above knows how different things are from windows 7 and before.
They’d assume the screen readers and other technologies
would make
whatever changes to keep up to date with their OS.

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