Hi Chien Fume,
Thank you for your reply. I had a look at the url's you posited in your posting...thank you. Strangely enough I had never heard of Adam Curtis and had never watched "Bitter Lake." I have corrected that now. Much to me missus's annoyance I spent 2 and a half hours watching it on BBC Iplayer at peak viewing time...:-). When historical information is put together like that, it helps to create an impression of reality, without too much of the cause and effect aspect of relaying historical truths. I also had a look at AE Van Vogt's "World of A" (or a synopsis of it), whom I had heard of but never read. Also, I had never heard of the concept of "General Semantics" before or of Korzybski.
see url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_semantics
and url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Korzybski
for those who are interested in a preliminary introduction.
One of the biggest changes in our human history, in my view, has been of course the development of the mass media. We have come a long way from when artefacts were the only evidence of human existence and ways of life on the planet. The development of the written word from spoken language placed upon tablets, changed the world in its own way, much as newspapers and books, and of course with the advances in the science of electricity and its use, turning into radio, films and then television allowed mass communications around much of the world, for those of us who could afford it and had access to it. Combined with the development of the internet and world wide web, we now have a veritable mountain of data and information which we can log into, consult, learn from and practice. Such mass communication comes with its problems of course, the quest for truth becomes more difficult, the question of choice and how credible or correct information is, the development of public relations by governments and private corporations, using all the latest social sciences, psychology, propaganda, and all the various other arts and sciences of deception and truths under the name of marketing, or positioning, makes it extremely difficult for us all to make up our minds on a scientific and objective basis on anything. Choosing what type of digital equipment to carry around us comes at a cost...working out the cost,the reliability, the specification and the attributes is a nightmare. As Oscar Wilde once said, "Religions die when they are proved to be true. Science is the record of dead religions." I must say I find that quote very funny and very poignant...and very long-lasting...It has stuck in my mind ever since I first read it...which was many years ago...:-)
see url: http://todayinsci.com/W/Wilde_Oscar/WildeOscar-Quotations.htm
for more of his quotes on the scientific method.
I have never heard of Walter Benjamin either, so that is something else which I have learned.
see url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Benjamin
for those of you who are interested in such matters. I may look into his ideas, philosophy and practices later...
In my time I have read a lot of prohibited material, particularly when I was told I wasn't allowed to read it. Most of it was rubbish, but there were some gems. "Mein Kampf" in English was one. The Communist Party bookshop wouldn't sell it to me for some reason, so I had to get it from elsewhere...My first taste of censorship in a party which I thought allowed discussion on everything...that is how naive I was. Though it is a long time since I read it, I remember it as being quite boring...and how outdated now. Another book I came across, which an old Jewish communist told me about, was called "Jew Seuss".
see url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jud_S%C3%BC%C3%9F_%28Feuchtwanger_novel%29
I read it three times.
“If one cannot enjoy reading a book over and over again, there is no use in reading it at all.” Oscar Wilde.
I was very much impressed with the writing and the story line and the historical setting...I thought it was brilliant, and would recommend it to anyone and everyone who is interested in such things. I never saw the film because the reviews weren't very good and it didn't appeal, as it was more aimed at appealing to German NSDAP sentiments, philosophies and theories...much of which was based on pursuing anti-Semitic themes; a bit like the theories of Karl Marx on an economic system belonging to the 19th Century being taken over and re-written or re-interpreted by the Marxists, in particular the Communist Party of the USSR. Now that I understand that the film is freely available on the internet, I might take another look...I hope it has English subtitles...:-).
Regarding your comments on the German media during the time of the NSDAP rule between 1933 and 1945, Hitler and his cohorts certainly did use the media to their advantage. The development of mass radio communication and state radio with most people acquiring a wireless was too good an opportunity to miss. With the development of recording media such as magnetic tape and film and the movie camera, and the opening of cinemas for the masses, a new era opened up for public education and mass propaganda. Historic events for the first time could be recorded...and edited...highly selectively.
see url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
I managed to download the film "Freedom of the Will", another movie frowned upon by certain groupings as being anti-Semitic. Be that as it may I thought it was a brilliant exposition of the NSDAP philosophy, theory and belief systems and an exposition of how it was put into practice. The film is available with English sub-titles from the Film Archive for free.
see url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will
and for a download, see url: https://archive.org/details/TriumphOfTheWillgermanTriumphDesWillens
with English subtitles.
The brilliance of the film lay in the original work of Leni Riefenstahl <https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Leni+Riefenstahl%22>who used a lot of new film techniques which were copied by the Hollywood Fantasy factory during the 1930's whilst she herself was banned from practising there due to her alleged anti-Semitic views. Riefenstahl always said that she didn't support the views of the NSDAP and that the film was made for artistic reasons and the challenge of the new media.
see url: https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007410
Whether she was or not, I don't know...if not...should one shoot the messenger...a common practice in history...The execution of the harbinger of bad news, appears to bring temporary relief to the receiver...:-).
What I personally got when I watched the film, was how small, how insignificant were the aims of the NSDAP and the symbols, the German flag which had Indian roots, the whole mechanistic, hero worship process, the Aryan belief system, the purity of the blood, (The pseudo science of Eugenics was very fashionable amongst many of the socialiste at the time, the science of genetics had yet to be invented), the German people of all descriptions, (excepting the dead opposition of course) gathering and then marching towards the Nuremberg Rally all looking into the sky to watch the Fuehrer's aeroplane coming between the twin spires of Nuremberg in the early morning so that Hitler could present himself to the masses as their great saviour, is really something else. The thousand year Reich, which was going to conquer the world, get rid of the Jew and any and all other opposition to the Fuhrer and to his cohorts was something to see. Big it was at the time...For the first time the German people were to be "Free from Freedom". Life is so much easier when there are no choices and people do as they are told! How wonderful it seemed that by obeying Hitler, they would get on well, conquer the world and fulfil the Aryan dream, the marching, the songs, the whole culture would last for a thousand years...For a while, it worked...money was created, jobs were created, the arms industry and the public infrastructure was expanded. No one knew then, the carnage which would ensue in 1939, apart from Winston Churchill perhaps and a few others, and no one knew how long the Reich would last. It is interesting to note, that I have never been able to find any evidence that Hitler actually killed anyone directly...whereas plenty of other world leaders were involved in killing people directly...including Winston Churchill...but there you are...I stand to be corrected...:-)
May I say that I don't subscribe to the idea that Adolf Hitler was some kind of brilliant intellectual. It never showed up academically or in his paintings or writings. He was a bit of a waster, spendthrift and dreamer in his younger days, living off of his mother whilst he "studied" in Vienna. He did, however have a large share of animal cunning and learned early the boundaries of his society and action within it, during the war years when he was exposed to the carnage of World War 1, and when he was jailed for the attempted Munich Beer hall Putsch in 1923. As a politician, he obviously managed to take advantage of all those things which the Germans felt was wrong with their society and only showed a glimmering of democracy when he and his party stood for election in 1933. He joined a party which someone else had formed and which was anti-Semitic.
The new science of mass communication had come into being and was being used so well by politicians on their way to creating dictatorships, new skills of rhetoric and mass mesmerism became the norm...simple easy to remember slogans, blaming others for all of one's ills. (Politicians use similar methods today, good guys beat the shit out of the bad guys, easy to remember slogans and headlines). There was tremendous opposition to Hitler and the NSDAP in the 1930's, mainly from the communists, the trades unions, the social democrats and many others, who did NOT agree with his policies. They fought in the streets and died for their pains, they struggled in what democratic state organisations were left, but were defeated. There was however, a common theme of anti-Jewish sentiment, manifested in Clause 4 of the 25 Principles of the NSDAP. The funding and support of the various factions is also an interesting subject in its own right, as, like today, it often has a bearing on the outcome, secret funding and support comes to mind.
see url: http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/
see url: http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2011/volume_3/number_3/demystification_of_the_birth_of_the_nsdap.php
see url: https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiO6_THk5TNAhWoLcAKHRQbD_4QFghBMAY&url=http%3A%2F%2Feducation.cambridge.org%2Fmedia%2F653316%2Fopposition_and_resistance_in_nazi_germany.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGRNTQJ1GNPybtqNSWTE1dxiduxSA&bvm=bv.123664746,d.ZGg
Anti-Semitism has resulted in pogroms against Jews on many occasions throughout history. As always, there are times when the timing is right for change to happen and it can be progressive or reactionary. There is nothing new in this of course, the Jews have suffered from pogroms from the time of Genghis Khan, and not only in Germany, but all over the world, including the UK.
The Scots and the English conducted pogroms against one another. The Catholics and Protestants conducted pogroms against one another, depending on what religion the monarch on the throne was.
see url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxe's_Book_of_Martyrs
and url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War
The Brownshirts and the Reich-stag Fire and the blame for the fire being placed upon the Communists was all Hitler and the NSDAP needed to sweep away the opposition, before the 1933 election and then consolidated afterwards, which eventually led to his coup by illegally changing the law of Germany allowing him to bypass the Reich-stag. It is as well to remember that in the 1933 election, Adolph Hitler and his party did NOT achieve a majority, but only enough votes to take power in conjunction with other parties. He didn't bother with them. He took over and sent his Brownshirts in to destroy the meeting of the Reich-stag, preventing the M.P.s from voting. The real exterminations of the opposition took place afterwards, when he was consolidating his power and that of his NSDAP cohorts, and making Germany ready for trying to get back the losses of the First World War.
As you...and everyone else on this mailing list...is no doubt aware, the question of the Holocaust is a very sensitive area for not only the Jews but for those people who don't agree with interpretations of what caused the 2nd World War and what happened in Germany regarding the treatment of the Jews during that war. Whether you are a full blown member of the "hasbara" or not, you have a right to say what you want and express your views. But like all those things, rights come with responsibilities. Peter admits to feeding provocation at you and you responded in exactly the way he wished you to. May I say, whether you are a "hasbara" supporter or not...and you have said that you are into semantics of a general kind...:-), accusing someone of being a "tarbaby" is not a good way of gaining people's respect...or stimulating the right kind of discussion. I must say, the spectre of you being Brer Rabbit rather than Chien Fume, makes my mind boggle...:-). And I had to find out what a tarbaby was and look it up on the internet...
see url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar-Baby
believe it or not, I have never read or heard the story of Brer Rabbit and Uncle Remus.
I am certainly learning a lot of new words, new meanings and phrases and concepts on this mailing list this week, words I never knew existed, tarbaby, ad hominem...and "Fuck off..." and also to find a word which does not contain the word "Nazi" in case it upsets the finer temperament of some of our more sophisticated colleagues, or, for that matter find out what the meaning of the holocaust is or the "chosen people" means to the people who have been chosen...Back to Oscar Wilde...:-).
"The old believe everything, the middle aged, mistrust everything...and the young know everything".
If I am here teaching my grandmother to suck eggs, please accept my apologies, but it would probably be worth your while, if you have not already done so, not only to read, but to study that famous or infamous piece of literature called "Israel Projects 2009 Global Language Dictionary", which is aimed at avoiding those very pitfalls which folks fall into when they are trying to discuss or open a dialogue on a very sensitive area of the human psyche, and which helps to keep the state of Israel alive. Why it is so sensitive is a whole big subject in itself. I found the dictionary a couple of years back and placed the url to it on the Cryptome Mailing List...it might even have been on the Cryptome Web Site. In fact I strongly advise all people who are engaged in such discussions to study this document, because it may help to avoid them falling into the very same pitfalls. I use its lessons all the time...though I too, occasionally make mistakes in its interpretation and use...Semantics is such a woolly subject...:-).
see url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Project
I try to use the principles taught there so as not to be accused of being anti-Semitic, at the same time being able to present my opposition to various policies of Israel and certain organisations which are backed by the Jewish people and their religious or political representatives.
And please note, dear colleagues, I am not Jewish or a Jewish supporter, follower or apologist, neither am I a supporter of national socialism or any other political ism. I am very much a doubter regarding the existence of "God" in any of its forms, and even more so in religious belief systems. And I don't have a lot of faith in nationalism or nation states as a way of governing the world. I don't have a lot of faith in the scientific method either...however, if it is a duck it quacks and if an experiment when put into practice works and can be consistently reproduced with the same outcome, then it must be true...:-). However, we are all a part of this time space bubble and if there is one thing I learned in the communist party which has always stuck with me, even long after my disillusionment, it is that peaceful co-existence is one of the best ways forward, it is pure Darwin, survival of the fittest...meaning the most adaptable, not just the most powerful. Learning to live with one another and respecting the views of others is one of the ways to attaining that peace...and perhaps we can all then progress towards that utopia...However...the price of peace never comes without war...and struggle is the essence of survival for the species.
I wonder how long home sapiens will last on the planet....5 million years so far...will we all go back to being dinosaurs or insects...:-). However as Alexander's posting says...it might only be until tomorrow...
With kind regards,
On 02/06/2016 19:50, Chien Fume wrote:
Hi Doug. Glad you made is back from France. Interesting observations about what's really going on there. Leaders around the world seem determined to make life tough for normal people. At exactly the moment in history when it's possible to improve the living conditions of almost everyone, and to ensure genuine liberty, the power elite and the hypnotized chickens with iPhones and designer clothes have decided to roll everything back to 7th century savagery.
I'm watching the latest Adam Curtis documentary "Bitter Lake" for the first time. I always need to watch Curtis' films at least three times or more. As usual, Curtis opens a perspective that does a splendid job of explaining things. He's always seemed to be one of the most honest reporters I can think of. All his documentaries are worth careful study.
I'm also listening to the audio book of A.E. Van Vogt's 'World of Null A'. I've been studying General Semantics for a long time. Some of its concepts were even part of my education. So the book is interesting on many levels.
Interesting bit you wrote about the fiction works you've read. How they're affecting you. We often get more from fiction than from fact. When people describe dramatic real-life events, they'll often say 'it was like a movie'. If you've ever been in a real gun battle, you'll know it's true that things seem to slow down. You don't really hear the gunfire as you do when on the shooting range. Afterwards, when writing the 'after-action report' the words often come out in a mechanical way... like a third-person observer robot. The language tends to be artificial... perhaps because there's a psychological need to distance oneself from what happened. But, when having a few Black & Tans (or Coors) and talking about it with others, the language is natural, more honest (I think). Leading some to suggest that we forego the written report and go straight to the Black & Tan chat... let some secretary make a transcript. By the way, whenever possible, I prefer Belhaven Ale - difficult to find in Israel.
I think Walter Benjamin addressed some of these ideas about how cinema changed how we see the world. He was quite insightful in his writing about cinema (still in its early stages at the time). I'm going through what I can find online from the book 'From Caligari to Hitler'... how cinema became so important to the Nazis... eventually surpassing radio. Films like 'Jud Sus' and 'Der Ewige Jude' were considered factual documentaries and were required study for prison guards. It was film that put the fine point on the psychological conditioning the Nazis learned from Le Bon and Bernays (and Schopenhauer). Today, those methods are systematized and so integral to modern social media that they're like water to a fish (invisible).
I'm re-reading McLuhan's 'Understanding Media' and appreciating his insight and foresight.
I've decided to NOT respond to the rhetorical questions and silly statements of Peter. I've had enough of such tar-baby arguments. Your citations ought to suffice. Especially the '25 Points' document. I read 'Mein Kampf' years ago... studied parts of it in undergrand and grad school. Now it's officially back in the world and we'll see what comes of that. The Muslims are avid readers of this book.
A few years ago, I had a young Arab guy from Hevron start talking to me about Hitler. He was well informed and thought highly of him. Unlike most Jews, I acknowledge Hitler's brilliance and mastery of rhetoric. I hate what he did, but think it's foolish to call him deranged. He gave voice to sentiments that were common in the world... many from ancient times.
Today, more people think the same way about Jews than in Hitler's own time. I don't believe it's justified since the things they talk about are almost always part of the Human Process (that is, common to everyone).
Mostly, people don't understand Judaism... and this is because Jews also don't understand it! It's not a noun, but a verb. It's a way of thinking based on freedom and arguing about everything. That, to me, isn't a condemnation. Abraham was the first Anarcho-Libertarian. Ayn Rand would've gotten along just fine with him (as far as she was able to get along with anyone). All that 'cosen people' stuff is misrepresented. The question to ask is 'chosen for what, exactly?' I say, chosen to be stubborn, argumentative, and refusing to bow down to arbitrary authority.
Back to your French trip. I've wanted to visit Paris since I was a teenager. I wanted to go to the restaurant Au Chien Qui Fume, where one of my favorite mystical philosopher writers Crowley spent so much time. I also wanted to see if the French 'Sisters of Mercy' lived up to their reputation.
But those 'wandervogel' days are long gone and now my focus is on visiting as much of Israel as I can before I'm not allowed to go to ancient Jewish places. This is a troubling reality... the number of places I can visit without any trouble has decreased dramatically over the past nearly 12 years. In the near future, I'll be forbidden, by law, from freely traveling in large parts of Judea and Samaria.
Thanks for your insights and suggestions. Will do my best to find information on the works you mention.
As my friend Robert Anton Wilson would often say, 'Keep the pizza flying'...
All the best...
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 7:06 PM, douglas rankine <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Chien & Peter,
Whilst on holiday in France and completely oblivious to the goings
on between the government and workers of the country...until it
was time to get petrol to get home...:-). I was lucky to find
some in a garage in the middle of France. Apparently the Socialist
President Hollande of France was in the process of teaching the
workers of France all about improving democracy and socialism by
introducing new laws which extended the working week from 35 hours
to 64 and cutting back on pensions, increasing the pensionable
age, and making it easier for employers to sack people so that the
employers could be induced to employ more workers and help expand
the economy and make working people better off...:-). The workers
of France aren't particularly pleased with the way in which the
lessons are being taught, neither are they very pleased with the
intended outcome...in fact they have found Hollande's conclusions
quite revolting...if you will pardon the pun...:-).
In between my housing project and other researches, I read a few
books which you may...or there again...may not be interested in
One was a trilogy of books by Ken Follett, called the Century
Trilogy, Fall of Giants and its follow ups, and the other was a
biography of Gertrude Bell by Georgina Howell.
The trilogy by Follett is a fictional work of history, which deals
with some of the main events taken from conventional history of
the 19th and 20th century right up until the 1980s. What I like
about this series of books is how well the history is researched
and how well the novels are put together, with a linking of
fictional characters, families and situations tied in with
historic events. They make the lives of people at the time come
alive somehow. In particular I would like to draw both of your
attentions to the period leading up to and between the 1st and 2nd
World Wars, in the UK. Palestine, the creation of the state of
Israel, the taking over of power in Germany by the NSDAP, the USA
and protectionism and interference, Russia the defeat of the Tzar
and the landed aristocracy, the takeover by the Bolsheviks and the
creation of the Soviet Union and the creation of a number of new
Middle Eastern States when the geographical lines and political
entities were redrawn as a result of the Versailles Treaty and
various other aspects of secret diplomacy. He looks at the
abstract theories and beliefs of politics and philosophies, which
governed the events at the time, and how the various ruling
classes, circles and establishments interpreted them; and with the
use of some fictional characters introduces the reader to the
practical happenings taken from real events which occurred in all
of those countries at the actual time. History turns out not quite
what it seems, or how it was supposed to turn out. His fictional
history of the ups and downs of a German family in the years from
1933 to 1945 in Germany, I found particularly interesting.
The work by Georgina Howell, is a much more factual historical
account of a very unusual woman, Gertrude Bell, and how she, from
a background of the ruling English UK establishment played a very
important role in formulating UK foreign policy in the Middle
East, in particular the Arab, Moslem countries during the first
three decades of the 20th century. She was not only a polymath
and a British Spy, she was a great mountain climber, walker and
explorer of countries throughout the Middle East, working very
closely with the Arab Moslems, the many tribes of Bedouins and the
various countries and personalities who were involved in the
creation of Iraq at the time, including Winston Churchill, Balfour
and Lawrence of Arabia. She managed to survive through all of the
male attacks and prejudices put in her way, trying to prevent her
from learning about Arab and Moslem culture and attempts to subdue
her by various authorities, from Government Ministers to Arab
Sheiks, even being trusted by some of them. Her reports were much
valued at the time and are an important part of the historical
record of the Middle East and the British and French ruling class
ideas at the time.
For more on Gertrude Bell, her history, background, the role she
played and the reports she produced, you can find out on Amazon or
See url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Bell
I must say, I do love fiction in all its forms and think that
historical fiction is one of the best ways of explaining all that
is good and bad in the world...and gives the writer so much leeway
to accommodate their own views and interpretations of the world,
the universe and what it is all about.
I was thinking about doing a treatise on the superior Aryan race
and how it dealt with the Biblical Chosen people, and how their
blood line and intellectual, political, philosophical and
practical activities made them think that they were superior, and
how the Chosen people came to be chosen, and how I cannot be one
of them...but then I thought...can I be bothered, I would rather
stay as I am, unenlightened, stupid, full of prejudices,
dogmatism, contrariness, ignorance, hypocrisy...and in deep shit
most of the time...but at least I am happy in the shit...it can be
a nice warm place to be in...and most people avoid delving in the
shit...unless they have a penchant for it...:-).
Cest la vie.
On 08/05/2016 16:44, Peter Presland wrote:
On 08/05/2016 10:57, Chien Fume wrote:
Doug - You've provided a good overview of the issue.
Another summary is
It might have more credence in some quarters since it
comes from a
It's interesting to watch how people are reacting to this
well-documented historical event. In Israel, it's caused
an uproar and
shown the extent to which most people are misinformed. Or,
troubled by the facts that they must resort to sophistry
(but clearly foolish) denial.
There was enormous, often violent opposition to the effort
to get Jews
to go to Palestine. The super-religious were the worst of
all and simply
refused to acknowledge the plain facts regarding what the
So tell us Chien, what exactly was the NSDAP planning?
One influential Rabbi who strongly opposed Jabotinsky's call
for massive aliyah lived just long enough to regret his
stance. While on
the run from the Nazis, he wrote one of the most
compelling arguments in
favor of religious Jews going to Palestine. But he died at
the hands of
the -- although his book survived and still influences
Jews to this
While the Labour (Marxist) Zionists got the most benefit
agreement with the Nazis, people in the other side of the
movement also wanted to do anything that would help rescue
what was happening.
What was happening to them Chien?
Ben Hecht's 'Perfidy' opened the can of worms and proved
that the Ben
Gurion Zionists (the Marxists) were, indeed, deeply
involved with the
Nazis... a subject that's still 'sensitive' here in Israel
impervious to objective analysis.
Suffice to say that the Ben Gurion klatch won the civil
war when they
sunk the Altalena and murdered Jews who were escaping the
By sinking the Altalena, Ben Gurion assured an Arab
victory that let
Jordan illegally occupy huge parts of Israel until 1967.
Currently, the ruling elite are busy as termites undoing
progress towards a sovereign Jewish State as defined in
Why Sovereign *Jewish* state Chien? why not just *sovereign* and
required to conform with the same international norms that
Jewry prescribes for the rest of the world?
The malicious desire to reduce, then eliminate what's left
never-really-Jewish State is intensifying, and unless Jews
and secular) in Israel stand up and fight, it's quite
likely that Israel
will lose what little sovereignty it has.
And what a celebration for the rest of humanity that will be. But
frankly, with the sheer insular insanity evidenced by the Israeli
Likudnik power-freaks, I reckon we'll likely see some version
Sampson option first
The stated goal is a return to
the mythical 'Golden Age' when Arabs and Jews supposedly
really) lived in harmony. But the result will be a return
and subjugation (dhimmitude) for Jews.
http://www.dhimmitude.org/d_history_dhimmitude.html As in
Islamic ideology says that all of us are equal, but
Muslims are more
equal than those of us who refuse to submit to their
Why does your brand of Judaism require special treatment only
and the State of Israel. Is it because you believe you are
thus in some fashion superior to the Goyim that you live among?
For those who champion the anti-Israel cause, one can only
eventually the Muslims will also subjugate them. That's
Ah; I see. Have the thoroughly befuddled Christian and Muslim
fight Huntingdon's "Clash of civilisations" to the death so
Chosenites finally triumph and get to build their mythical 3rd
Something like that I guess. Right?
All the best from the front lines of one of history's
for genuine freedom (more than 1,400 years since Mohamed's
slaughtered the Jews of Khaybar and got the wealth and
power that would
help them conquer and subjugate many civilizations... and
inspiration for the Islamic Empire we're seeing manifest
places... such as Iraq, Syria, and London)...
As an example of deeply duplicitous crocodile tears, that para
does take the biscuit.
As if Israel does not have its fingerprints over all the vast
destruction that has rained on the Middle East since 1945 and
since that fateful day in September 2011
Israel was born in a Bloody ethnic-cleansing conflict that has
ever since. It will see no peace unless and until it can bring
treat non-Jews - in all respects - equally; which of course is
going to happen. So God help us all (Not just the Chosenites I
On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 8:50 PM, douglas rankine
and url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
"The Haavara Agreement was an agreement between
Nazi Germany and
Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933.
The agreement was finalized after three months of
talks by the
Zionist Federation of Germany, the
Anglo-Palestine Bank (under
the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the
of Nazi Germany.
The agreement was designed to help facilitate the
German Jews to Palestine.
While it helped Jews emigrate, it forced them to
give up possessions to Germany before departing.
possessions could later be re-obtained by
transferring them to
Palestine as German export goods.
The agreement was controversial at the time, and
by many Jewish leaders both within the Zionist
Hitler’s own support of the Haavara Agreement was
varied throughout the 1930s.
Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but
opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939."