Hi Chien & Peter,
Whilst on holiday in France and completely oblivious to the goings on between the government and workers of the country...until it was time to get petrol to get home...:-). I was lucky to find some in a garage in the middle of France. Apparently the Socialist President Hollande of France was in the process of teaching the workers of France all about improving democracy and socialism by introducing new laws which extended the working week from 35 hours to 64 and cutting back on pensions, increasing the pensionable age, and making it easier for employers to sack people so that the employers could be induced to employ more workers and help expand the economy and make working people better off...:-). The workers of France aren't particularly pleased with the way in which the lessons are being taught, neither are they very pleased with the intended outcome...in fact they have found Hollande's conclusions quite revolting...if you will pardon the pun...:-).
In between my housing project and other researches, I read a few books which you may...or there again...may not be interested in reading...
One was a trilogy of books by Ken Follett, called the Century Trilogy, Fall of Giants and its follow ups, and the other was a biography of Gertrude Bell by Georgina Howell.
The trilogy by Follett is a fictional work of history, which deals with some of the main events taken from conventional history of the 19th and 20th century right up until the 1980s. What I like about this series of books is how well the history is researched and how well the novels are put together, with a linking of fictional characters, families and situations tied in with historic events. They make the lives of people at the time come alive somehow. In particular I would like to draw both of your attentions to the period leading up to and between the 1st and 2nd World Wars, in the UK. Palestine, the creation of the state of Israel, the taking over of power in Germany by the NSDAP, the USA and protectionism and interference, Russia the defeat of the Tzar and the landed aristocracy, the takeover by the Bolsheviks and the creation of the Soviet Union and the creation of a number of new Middle Eastern States when the geographical lines and political entities were redrawn as a result of the Versailles Treaty and various other aspects of secret diplomacy. He looks at the abstract theories and beliefs of politics and philosophies, which governed the events at the time, and how the various ruling classes, circles and establishments interpreted them; and with the use of some fictional characters introduces the reader to the practical happenings taken from real events which occurred in all of those countries at the actual time. History turns out not quite what it seems, or how it was supposed to turn out. His fictional history of the ups and downs of a German family in the years from 1933 to 1945 in Germany, I found particularly interesting.
The work by Georgina Howell, is a much more factual historical account of a very unusual woman, Gertrude Bell, and how she, from a background of the ruling English UK establishment played a very important role in formulating UK foreign policy in the Middle East, in particular the Arab, Moslem countries during the first three decades of the 20th century. She was not only a polymath and a British Spy, she was a great mountain climber, walker and explorer of countries throughout the Middle East, working very closely with the Arab Moslems, the many tribes of Bedouins and the various countries and personalities who were involved in the creation of Iraq at the time, including Winston Churchill, Balfour and Lawrence of Arabia. She managed to survive through all of the male attacks and prejudices put in her way, trying to prevent her from learning about Arab and Moslem culture and attempts to subdue her by various authorities, from Government Ministers to Arab Sheiks, even being trusted by some of them. Her reports were much valued at the time and are an important part of the historical record of the Middle East and the British and French ruling class ideas at the time.
For more on Gertrude Bell, her history, background, the role she played and the reports she produced, you can find out on Amazon or in Wikipedia.
See url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Bell
I must say, I do love fiction in all its forms and think that historical fiction is one of the best ways of explaining all that is good and bad in the world...and gives the writer so much leeway to accommodate their own views and interpretations of the world, the universe and what it is all about.
I was thinking about doing a treatise on the superior Aryan race and how it dealt with the Biblical Chosen people, and how their blood line and intellectual, political, philosophical and practical activities made them think that they were superior, and how the Chosen people came to be chosen, and how I cannot be one of them...but then I thought...can I be bothered, I would rather stay as I am, unenlightened, stupid, full of prejudices, dogmatism, contrariness, ignorance, hypocrisy...and in deep shit most of the time...but at least I am happy in the shit...it can be a nice warm place to be in...and most people avoid delving in the shit...unless they have a penchant for it...:-).
Cest la vie.
On 08/05/2016 16:44, Peter Presland wrote:
On 08/05/2016 10:57, Chien Fume wrote:
Doug - You've provided a good overview of the issue. Another summary isSo tell us Chien, what exactly was the NSDAP planning?
It might have more credence in some quarters since it comes from a
It's interesting to watch how people are reacting to this
well-documented historical event. In Israel, it's caused an uproar and
shown the extent to which most people are misinformed. Or, perhaps, so
troubled by the facts that they must resort to sophistry and flat-out
(but clearly foolish) denial.
There was enormous, often violent opposition to the effort to get Jews
to go to Palestine. The super-religious were the worst of all and simply
refused to acknowledge the plain facts regarding what the NSDAP was
One influential Rabbi who strongly opposed Jabotinsky's callWhat was happening to them Chien?
for massive aliyah lived just long enough to regret his stance. While on
the run from the Nazis, he wrote one of the most compelling arguments in
favor of religious Jews going to Palestine. But he died at the hands of
the -- although his book survived and still influences Jews to this
While the Labour (Marxist) Zionists got the most benefit from the
agreement with the Nazis, people in the other side of the Zionist
movement also wanted to do anything that would help rescue Jews from
what was happening.
Ben Hecht's 'Perfidy' opened the can of worms and proved that the BenWhy Sovereign *Jewish* state Chien? why not just *sovereign* and
Gurion Zionists (the Marxists) were, indeed, deeply involved with the
Nazis... a subject that's still 'sensitive' here in Israel and seemingly
impervious to objective analysis.
Suffice to say that the Ben Gurion klatch won the civil war when they
sunk the Altalena and murdered Jews who were escaping the sinking ship.
By sinking the Altalena, Ben Gurion assured an Arab victory that let
Jordan illegally occupy huge parts of Israel until 1967.
Currently, the ruling elite are busy as termites undoing all the
progress towards a sovereign Jewish State as defined in the 1922
required to conform with the same international norms that International
Jewry prescribes for the rest of the world?
The malicious desire to reduce, then eliminate what's left of theAnd what a celebration for the rest of humanity that will be. But
never-really-Jewish State is intensifying, and unless Jews (religious
and secular) in Israel stand up and fight, it's quite likely that Israel
will lose what little sovereignty it has.
frankly, with the sheer insular insanity evidenced by the Israeli
Likudnik power-freaks, I reckon we'll likely see some version of the
Sampson option first
The stated goal is a return toWhy does your brand of Judaism require special treatment only for Jews
the mythical 'Golden Age' when Arabs and Jews supposedly (but didn't
really) lived in harmony. But the result will be a return to inequality
and subjugation (dhimmitude) for Jews.
http://www.dhimmitude.org/d_history_dhimmitude.html As in 'Animal Farm',
Islamic ideology says that all of us are equal, but Muslims are more
equal than those of us who refuse to submit to their deadly theocracy.
and the State of Israel. Is it because you believe you are "Chosen" and
thus in some fashion superior to the Goyim that you live among?
For those who champion the anti-Israel cause, one can only say thatAh; I see. Have the thoroughly befuddled Christian and Muslim worlds
eventually the Muslims will also subjugate them. That's what's really
fight Huntingdon's "Clash of civilisations" to the death so that the
Chosenites finally triumph and get to build their mythical 3rd Temple.
Something like that I guess. Right?
All the best from the front lines of one of history's longest battlesAs an example of deeply duplicitous crocodile tears, that para really
for genuine freedom (more than 1,400 years since Mohamed's army
slaughtered the Jews of Khaybar and got the wealth and power that would
help them conquer and subjugate many civilizations... and provide the
inspiration for the Islamic Empire we're seeing manifest in many
places... such as Iraq, Syria, and London)...
does take the biscuit.
As if Israel does not have its fingerprints over all the vast death and
destruction that has rained on the Middle East since 1945 and especially
since that fateful day in September 2011
Israel was born in a Bloody ethnic-cleansing conflict that has continued
ever since. It will see no peace unless and until it can bring itself to
treat non-Jews - in all respects - equally; which of course is never
going to happen. So God help us all (Not just the Chosenites I say)
On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 8:50 PM, douglas rankine
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
and url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
"The Haavara Agreement was an agreement between Nazi Germany and
Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933.
The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the
Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under
the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities
of Nazi Germany.
The agreement was designed to help facilitate the emigration of
German Jews to Palestine.
While it helped Jews emigrate, it forced them to temporarily
give up possessions to Germany before departing. Those
possessions could later be re-obtained by transferring them to
Palestine as German export goods.
The agreement was controversial at the time, and was criticised
by many Jewish leaders both within the Zionist movement and
Hitler’s own support of the Haavara Agreement was unclear and
varied throughout the 1930s.
Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but reversed his
opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939."