Cheers...and tx for the info and urls. I will study them carefully. I am off on my "busmans" holiday a la france, tomorrow for a couple of weeks and will reply in more detail on my return.
On 08/05/2016 10:57, Chien Fume wrote:
Doug - You've provided a good overview of the issue. Another summary is found here: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0008_0_08075.html It might have more credence in some quarters since it comes from a 'Jewish' source.
It's interesting to watch how people are reacting to this well-documented historical event. In Israel, it's caused an uproar and shown the extent to which most people are misinformed. Or, perhaps, so troubled by the facts that they must resort to sophistry and flat-out (but clearly foolish) denial.
There was enormous, often violent opposition to the effort to get Jews to go to Palestine. The super-religious were the worst of all and simply refused to acknowledge the plain facts regarding what the NSDAP was planning. One influential Rabbi who strongly opposed Jabotinsky's call for massive aliyah lived just long enough to regret his stance. While on the run from the Nazis, he wrote one of the most compelling arguments in favor of religious Jews going to Palestine. But he died at the hands of the -- although his book survived and still influences Jews to this day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yissachar_Shlomo_Teichtal
While the Labour (Marxist) Zionists got the most benefit from the agreement with the Nazis, people in the other side of the Zionist movement also wanted to do anything that would help rescue Jews from what was happening.
Ben Hecht's 'Perfidy' opened the can of worms and proved that the Ben Gurion Zionists (the Marxists) were, indeed, deeply involved with the Nazis... a subject that's still 'sensitive' here in Israel and seemingly impervious to objective analysis. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/BHecht.html
Suffice to say that the Ben Gurion klatch won the civil war when they sunk the Altalena and murdered Jews who were escaping the sinking ship. By sinking the Altalena, Ben Gurion assured an Arab victory that let Jordan illegally occupy huge parts of Israel until 1967.
Currently, the ruling elite are busy as termites undoing all the progress towards a sovereign Jewish State as defined in the 1922 Partition http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.htm
The malicious desire to reduce, then eliminate what's left of the never-really-Jewish State is intensifying, and unless Jews (religious and secular) in Israel stand up and fight, it's quite likely that Israel will lose what little sovereignty it has. The stated goal is a return to the mythical 'Golden Age' when Arabs and Jews supposedly (but didn't really) lived in harmony. But the result will be a return to inequality and subjugation (dhimmitude) for Jews. http://www.dhimmitude.org/d_history_dhimmitude.html As in 'Animal Farm', Islamic ideology says that all of us are equal, but Muslims are more equal than those of us who refuse to submit to their deadly theocracy.
For those who champion the anti-Israel cause, one can only say that eventually the Muslims will also subjugate them. That's what's really happening. https://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y
All the best from the front lines of one of history's longest battles for genuine freedom (more than 1,400 years since Mohamed's army slaughtered the Jews of Khaybar and got the wealth and power that would help them conquer and subjugate many civilizations... and provide the inspiration for the Islamic Empire we're seeing manifest in many places... such as Iraq, Syria, and London)...
On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 8:50 PM, douglas rankine <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
and url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
"The Haavara Agreement was an agreement between Nazi Germany
and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933.
The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the
Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under
the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic
authorities of Nazi Germany.
The agreement was designed to help facilitate the emigration
of German Jews to Palestine.
While it helped Jews emigrate, it forced them to temporarily
give up possessions to Germany before departing. Those
possessions could later be re-obtained by transferring them to
Palestine as German export goods.
The agreement was controversial at the time, and was
criticised by many Jewish leaders both within the Zionist
movement and outside it.
Hitler’s own support of the Haavara Agreement was unclear and
varied throughout the 1930s.
Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but reversed his
opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939."