Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:40:17 +0200

Stu just hates the planet.

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On 16 February 2015 at 16:36, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Yes what?
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> "then the price of commodities would rise over time. They don’t"
>>
>> Huh ?
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 16:27, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Happened in Russia as well, but he wasn't joking:
>>>
>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/01/russian-minister-urges-ci_n_702173.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  We’re digressing a lot here. Yeah, improvements in medical techniques
>>>> have made a huge difference to mortality rates and thus population. I
>>>> remember the minister of health in Slovakia telling people that they should
>>>> take up smoking so that they’d die earlier and save the country some money.
>>>> He was joking, but only a little.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The big thing is that if there are food shortages in the world (which
>>>> there still are), it’s not due to a lack of resources. The idea of ‘less is
>>>> better’ for the environment is one of those great ideas that sounds right
>>>> and feels right and has zero basis in logic. The reason for that is that
>>>> humans don’t fit into any of the usual categories for nature. We adapt. We
>>>> improve our use of resources.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If there were issues with natural resources, then the price of
>>>> commodities would rise over time. They don’t. We improve our techniques and
>>>> the use of resources. Demand decreases, despite population growth. That’s
>>>> the kinds of creature we are.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:16 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not every country improved their farming techniques though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Overpopulation isn't the only issue that cause starvation or scarce in
>>>> food supplies. Better medical also contributes A LOT. People are living
>>>> longer than they did years ago. So there's new mouths to feed and old mouth
>>>> to feed where in the past it was just the new mouth we need to feed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  You’re talking about sustainability there. Sure we need more
>>>> farmlands, fish, general natural resources. We also improve our farming
>>>> techniques, genetically modify wheat crops, start fish farms, etc.
>>>>
>>>> There are more trees on the planet today than there were 30 years ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> China can stop farming as long as it can afford to import food. Japan
>>>> hasn’t produced enough food for its population for years. The US produces a
>>>> massive excess. When you hit the point where you have people with cash, but
>>>> not food, people will go back to farming.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:59 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a government and population dynamics, it varies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But as for the world, nature and ecosystem...less is better. Since we
>>>> need more farmlands, fish more, cut down more trees, etc. To supply our
>>>> needs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another issue for more people is that doesn't mean more things is being
>>>> produced either. A lot of chinese farmers have stop farming because they
>>>> want to move into the cities and become happy and rich like how the media
>>>> promote it. That's one reason why rice supply in China is plummeting. Not
>>>> everyone wants to become a farmer when you can sit in air conditioned rooms
>>>> and work 9-5.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Food is only an issue in some countries. I know china needs to switch
>>>> to insects soon since rice isn't supplying enough.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I just don't get how Stu seems to think we can just keep on
>>>> multiplying and everything will be fine.
>>>>
>>>> Come on Stu.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:51, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Yeah a middle ground understanding sounds good.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:47, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  lol, I hear you. I think there's a happy compromise somewhere in the
>>>> middle of all of this though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If people simply consumed less one wouldn't need to cut down the
>>>> population. It's easier to adjust your lifestyle than it is to play with
>>>> population sizes I'd think. Also, even if you cut down the population in
>>>> terms of size, what's to stop the remaining population from simply wanting
>>>> even more?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My wife and I share a meal at Burger King. We literally cut the thing
>>>> in half. I'm not saying everyone needs to share their burgers but my point
>>>> is that one meal fills both of us sufficiently. People tend to base how
>>>> much they eat on what size their meal comes in and tend to overestimate how
>>>> much the really need :P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  What?
>>>>
>>>> You do realize that you need more things for more people right ?
>>>>
>>>> Less people ~ less things needed.
>>>>
>>>> Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or whatever.
>>>>
>>>> People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not
>>>> multiply like crazy.
>>>>
>>>> But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can
>>>> have" thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most
>>>> people would rather have a big family over a sustainable environment.
>>>>
>>>> And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they
>>>> completely disregard it as someone else's problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Basically Stu hates Earth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or
>>>> whatever it is that allows them to be be happy.
>>>>
>>>> I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's
>>>> fine because everyone receiving is also paying.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with
>>>> resource distribution. People tend to want more than what they really need.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Huh?
>>>>
>>>> Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more than
>>>> enough food for the whole planet.
>>>>
>>>> Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t
>>>> actually one of them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that there
>>>> are just too many of us.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <
>>>> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck politics.
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters.
>>>>
>>>> :P
>>>>
>>>> HBD Jag.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If you're
>>>> whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's just the
>>>> idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or 
>>>> foreigners.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to
>>>> japan by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants
>>>> went in to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the
>>>> thai tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not lining
>>>> up, etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Well there is a difference between pride and hating others.
>>>>
>>>> I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that they
>>>> hate other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that they
>>>> just want to be around their own kind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Pride?
>>>>
>>>> It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too surprise
>>>> they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and xenophobic among
>>>> themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone else. Etc. Too much
>>>> pride in their own race and country.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy
>>>> covers some similar stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and there
>>>> was a big stink.
>>>>
>>>> What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+ now
>>>> where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust ffs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the world
>>>> and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old grandma.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works.
>>>>
>>>> I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas.
>>>>
>>>> Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the bombs
>>>> on them.
>>>>
>>>> She is 83 now.
>>>>
>>>> To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  HBD Jagson.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get.
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Japan please...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Haha thanks guys :)
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this
>>>> morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it was
>>>> his birthday.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In other news, HDB Jag.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM
>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HBD Jag!
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