Hi, Cindy! That works for sighted volunteers, but is bad for Braille, thus the dilemma. Jamie Yates seemed to have the best idea, but I cannot find it at the moment. Grin. Valerie Keep up with Nichole's recovery: http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples ________________________________ From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Mon, January 2, 2012 9:53:37 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks What abouu this: __________ ? It's created by holding the shift key and the hypenkey down for a count of 2 or 3; or ___ holdiong the shift key and hitting the hyphen key 3 times. It's the longer line aboe the hyphen on the hyphen key ________________________________ From: Debby Franson <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 7:01 PM >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks > >Hi Cindy! > >Thanks for experimenting with a blank. > >I think Mayrie said that the underscore would choke the braille conversion >tool. It doesn't look like a blank on a braille display, because that >braille symbol is used to indicate italics. In paper braille books, we can >use a symbol that is lower than hyphens so that it's a lot like the print >underscore, but, I guess the computers have a different idea. That's too >bad, because if it could be displayed like the print underscore on a >braille display, our problem would be completely solved. I guess we have >to put up with what works. > >Debby > >P.S. Just signing "Cindy" is fine, I think. > >At 05:32 PM 12/31/2011, Cindy wrote >>I just replaced the few underlining of blsnk dpsce with 5 >>hyphenstogether:----- >> >>It seems to created a ssosrt of dotted line--; if that causses problems, >>there is, on the top of the hyphen key a longer line: would this >>work?__________ >> >>One gets it by using the the shift key with the hyphen key. In the above >>example I just held it for a second or teo, but here: I'll hit it 5 times _____ >>G. Cindy (Does another Cindy post a lot? IF not, it's easier for me just >>to sign myself Cindy than G. Cindy smile >> >> >> >>> >>>From: Debby Franson <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:20 PM >>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks >>> >>>Hi Valerie, Mayrie and everyone! >>> >>>I received many wonderful things for Christmas, one being a SyncBraille >>>braille display which I'm using with Window-Eyes. I would have responded >>>sooner, but I was getting acquainted with the braille display and getting >>>the settings right in Window-Eyes for a 20 cell display after figuring out >>>it was breaking words in odd places until I told Window-Eyes the correct >>>amount of cells my display has. >>> >>>Now, getting to the question in this message: >>> >>>When I type four hyphens: >>> >>>---- >>> >>>whether I arrow over them or read them on the braille display, the four >>>hyphens are close together as far as I can tell. Although I know a print >>>hyphen is higher than an underline/underscore, when the hyphens are close >>>together instead of this: >>> >>>- - - - >>> >>>where I purposely inserted spaces, can't that be less than a horrible >>>compromise? >>> >>>Debby >>> >>>At 06:14 PM 12/27/2011, Valerie Maples wrote >>> >Mayrie; >>> > >>> >I was afraid you would say that. No, hyphens are located higher and with >>> >spaces and would do as much harm as good and be confusing, but if it >>> >chokes Braille, I guess we have to defer to that and lose the fewer >>> >sighted readers. Ugh! Oh, well, that si why I ask ... >>> > >>> >Valerie >>> > >>> > >>> >Keep up with Nichole's recovery: >>> >http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >From: Mayrie ReNae <<mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> >>> >To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >Sent: Tue, December 27, 2011 5:54:09 PM >>> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks >>> > >>> >Hi Valerie, >>> > >>> >Underscores choke the braille translator. Will dashes not work for >>> >sighted people? >>> > >>> >Mayrie >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >---------- >>> >From: >>> <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> >>> >>> >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples >>> >Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:15 PM >>> >To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks >>> > >>> >The standard for sighted is underscores, and usually 10, but I think 5 >>> >would still give a dighted reader the idea; could that be a workable >>> >compromise or are underscores tough in Braille? >>> > >>> >Thanks for the help; this book will be alot of work, but a great resource! >>> > >>> >Valerie >>> > >>> > >>> >Keep up with Nichole's recovery: >>> ><http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples>http://www.caringbridge >>> .org/visit/nicholemaples >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >From: Mayrie ReNae <<mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> >>> >To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >Sent: Tue, December 27, 2011 5:11:11 PM >>> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks >>> > >>> >Hi Valerie, >>> > >>> >Were it me, I would use four hyphens together, surrounded by spaces to >>> >indicate the blanks that need to be filled in. Is that what you are >>> asking? >>> > >>> >Mayrie >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >---------- >>> >From: >>> <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> >>> >>> >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples >>> >Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:18 PM >>> >To: <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Refresher on fill in the blanks >>> > >>> >We are working on a bible study guide and I cannot remember the best >>> >practices for displaying/conveying fill in the blanks in the study >>> sections. >>> > >>> >Thanks! >>> > >>> >Valerie >>> > >>> >Keep up with Nichole's recovery: >>> ><http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples>http://www.caringbridge >>> .org/visit/nicholemaples >>> >>> -- >>> mailto:<<mailto:the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>-- >>>The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly, But the mouth of fools pours >>>forth foolishness. >>>Proverbs 15:2 NKJV >>> >>>"Teach me, and I will hold my tongue >>>; Cause me to understand wherein I have erred. >>>Job 6:24 NKJV >>> >>> >>>To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >>><mailto:bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>>put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list >>>of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> mailto:<the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>-- >>The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly, But the mouth of fools >>pours forth foolishness. >>Proverbs 15:2 NKJV >> >>"Teach me, and I will hold my tongue >>; Cause me to understand wherein I have erred. >>Job 6:24 NKJV >> > >To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of >available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. > > > >